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<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=778363020-22082008>What "legacy
agreements"? Are there contracts in place which bind ARIN to provide
services? </SPAN></DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=778363020-22082008></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV dir=ltr align=left><SPAN class=778363020-22082008>Lee</SPAN></DIV><BR>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B>On Behalf Of </B>Davey,
George<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 22, 2008 2:33 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [arin-ppml] Whois Integrity Policy
Proposal<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">Legacy
agreements make no mention of DNS or email requirements. Legacy holders
are under no obligation to please ARIN.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">This
would be yet another attempt to force people in legacy agreements to sign an
updated agreement and they should not be bullied into doing
so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">The
Hobbs Act of 1951 addressed this type of unfair pressure to force people to
change contractual rights out of fear of losing intangible properties acquired
under an allocation contract.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
feel firm that any attempt to bully legacy holders to sign anything is both
unlawful and unnecessary. It is especially unnecessary
harassment.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">What
troubles me the most is the ease at which people will form a Lynch mob to
strip others of rights they cannot share because they were not there at the
time that particular right was established. Most of the victims are
naïve or have not had proper legal counsel advising them of their contractual
rights. The legacy agreements did not have a clause giving ANY governing
body the right to discuss or pressure them into changing their contract to
please ARIN, ICANN, or IANA. In my opinion it is a democratic socialist
movement to make everyone the same by force of fear of losing the space fairly
allocated to them in the legacy time.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">There
are many ways each of us can make the Internet a better place, forcing people
to sign contracts by force of fear is not one of them.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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<P class=MsoNormal><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 11pt; COLOR: #1f497d; FONT-FAMILY: 'Calibri','sans-serif'">I
do not support this policy at this time because I think it clearly has a
hidden agenda and will not stop spammers or even slow them
down.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P>
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Davey, B.S. MCSE<BR><I>Network Administrator</I><BR>3200 Grand
Avenue<BR>Des Moines, IA 50312<BR>515.271.1544<BR>FAX
515.271.4200<BR>George.Davey@dmu.edu<BR><A
href="http://www.dmu.edu">www.dmu.edu</A></SPAN><SPAN
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arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net [mailto:arin-ppml-bounces@arin.net] <B>On Behalf Of
</B>John Paul Morrison<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, August 22, 2008 12:27
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Dale W. Carder<BR><B>Cc:</B>
arin-ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] LRSA concerns (Re:
Policy Proposal: Whois Integrity Policy
Proposal)<o:p></o:p></SPAN></P></DIV></DIV>
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<P class=MsoNormal>On 8/22/2008 8:21 AM, Dale W. Carder wrote: <o:p></o:p></P><PRE>On Aug 21, 2008, at 5:32 PM, Jeffrey I. Schiller wrote:<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE> <o:p></o:p></PRE>
<BLOCKQUOTE style="MARGIN-TOP: 5pt; MARGIN-BOTTOM: 5pt"><PRE>I proposed then that a good first step to get legacy holders into the<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>"tent" would be a milder contract that didn't put their "rights"<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>(whatever they may be now or determined in the future) on the line.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE> <o:p></o:p></PRE></BLOCKQUOTE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>I agree with this approach.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE> <o:p></o:p></PRE>
<P class=MsoNormal><BR>I agree as well. It's also justifiable in terms
of paying a registrar for domain and reverse DNS. I have no problem paying $10
a year or whatever to godaddy for a dot com registration,<BR>so I have
no opposition to paying to an in-addr.arpa registrar, who could provide whois
and registrar services at a competitive rate. <BR>Just as dot com registration
was once free and was converted to pay as you go, so can in-addr.arpa for
legacy registrants. Perhaps this can side-step some of the opposition to
legacy changes.<BR><BR>Most of this could leverage existing registrar, domain
registration and whois infrastructure. So legacy holders can pay their way for
the registration infrastructure, while any questions of "ownership" or
legitimacy can be sorted out separately, or they can simply whither on the
vine with IPv6 approaching.<BR><BR><BR><BR><o:p></o:p></P><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>If we all think that whois needs to be updated and this can't be<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>done without a contract, could a contract specific to whois<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>maintenance be written as Jeff outlined without the things that<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>legacy holders are clearly concerned about in the current LRSA?<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>LRSA-lite could be a lot easier for legacy holders to swallow.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>As v4 runout gets closer, I worry about increased hijacking.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>The value of database maintenance will then be clear to everyone.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><o:p> </o:p></PRE><PRE>Dale<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>_______________________________________________<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>PPML<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (<A href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">ARIN-PPML@arin.net</A>).<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE><A href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</A><o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE>Please contact <A href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</A> if you experience any issues.<o:p></o:p></PRE><PRE> <o:p></o:p></PRE>
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