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On 19 Aug 2008 Owen DeLong wrote:</span></font>
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> - Non members of APNIC will be required to sign an APNIC non-member</span></font>
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> agreement and pay an annual account fee of AU$127. (Note: there is</span></font>
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> no limit to the number of separate historical resources that may</span></font>
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> be maintained under a single account)</span></font>
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I can't and won't try to speak for Randy. But, read the APNIC non-member
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http://www.apnic.net/docs/corpdocs/non-membership-agreement.html</span></font>
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There seems to be a lot less egregious legal language in it. I'm not sure that
there is a significant difference in actual rights, but it sure seems nicer. I'm
not sure if this is an artifact of the difference in US and Australian legal
systems, difference in lawyers or what. But reading this agreement, I get a
completely different feeling than reading the ARIN LRSA. </span></font>
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Also note, it is mute on the Property issues, while I think this is a bogus
issue personally, others do not think it is a bogus issue. (A side-note on why
I think this is a bogus issue; I've spent much of the the last couple years
working on getting Fiber IRUs for my institution, a very expensive long-term
right-to-use. But not actually a property-right at least by most normal
definitions. So, I'm comfortable with the idea of a right-to-use rather than a
normal property right, others may not be as comfortable with the concept)
One comment I will make, the LRSA is very clear and strong that there is
not a property-right, but it does not seem equally clear and strong in defining
what the actual right-to-use entails. </span></font>
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I think the LRSA is fundamentally the right idea. I'm not sure about the
T&Cs, but I'm not going to do contract negotiation in a public forum, and
especially not this forum as it is a policy forum. I am trying to work with
ARIN counsel on a few issues, that is where contract negotiation should
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Maybe one suggestion for the proposal, allow an alternate process to
update Legacy records, that doesn't actually require the LRSA or RSA. It
should be procedurally egregious, but yet plausible measures to prevent
hijacking, like have to do a full vetting of proof of ownership each time and
maybe a 30 day public notice or something. In other words, in the long run it
is much easier to do the LRSA or RSA, but not an absolute requirement. </span></font>
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I'm not sure it would be good for the community for Legacy Resource
Holders to not be able to legitimately update their records some how, if they
can find their way to signing the LRSA. It might prevent hijacking, but it
does nothing to promote accuracy in the database. </span></font>
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