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<DIV dir=ltr><FONT face=Arial size=2>Sorry, I thought I was very clear about this. We are discussing Policy Proposal 2008-2, and the specific rationales that went into its features and design, so that we can assess what would happen if it _is_ implemented. </FONT></DIV>
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<FONT face=Tahoma size=2><B>From:</B> Tom Vest [mailto:tvest@pch.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Thu 6/19/2008 7:49 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Milton L Mueller<BR><B>Cc:</B> PPML ppml<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [arin-ppml] Q1 - ARIN address transfer policy: why the trigger date?<BR></FONT><BR></DIV>
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<P><FONT size=2>Hi Milton,<BR><BR>Are you asking for a hypothetical answer that assumes that the <BR>resource proposal is adopted, or a hypothetical answer that assumes <BR>that the proposal is not adopted and the status quo remains unchanged, <BR>or something else entirely?<BR><BR>There are many possibilities either way, but I think it would be good <BR>to clarify what you're looking for before everyone starts chiming in <BR>and creating needless confusion (c.f., the last thread on "creating a <BR>transfer market").<BR><BR>TV<BR><BR><BR><BR>On Jun 19, 2008, at 7:00 PM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<BR><BR>> Let's start with a fairly simple question. The ARIN proposal says that<BR>> the transfers it authorizes only start "when IANA allocates its last<BR>> unallocated unicast IPv4 address block." What is the economic <BR>> rationale<BR>> for this?<BR>><BR>> If I have too much address space now, and someone else wants it, <BR>> what is<BR>> the social benefit of requiring me to wait for IANA's "last <BR>> unallocated<BR>> unicast ipv4 address block" to be dropped?<BR>><BR>>> -----Original Message-----<BR>>> From: Scott Leibrand [<A href="mailto:sleibrand@internap.com">mailto:sleibrand@internap.com</A>]<BR>>> Sent: Thursday, June 19, 2008 6:11 PM<BR>>> To: Milton L Mueller<BR>>> Cc: Owen DeLong; Leo Bicknell<BR>>> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN address transfer policy<BR>>><BR>>> That works for me. I'm particularly interested to start getting new<BR>>> points discussed on PPML, and hopefully avoid too much rehashing of<BR>> the<BR>>> same debates we've already had repeatedly. It sounds like your <BR>>> effort<BR>>> will move us in the right direction there, so thanks in advance.<BR>>><BR>>> -Scott<BR>>><BR>>> Milton L Mueller wrote:<BR>>>> Thanks to Owen, Leo and Scott for responding.<BR>>>><BR>>>> Based on what you all said, it seems as if it would be best for the<BR>>>> questions I have to be openly stated and discussed on this list.<BR>> Most of<BR>>>> the AC members, if not all, are probably present here and the rest<BR>> of<BR>>>> the list would benefit from seeing the questions answered, as many<BR>> of<BR>>>> them may have the same questions in mind. I'll start soon.<BR>>>><BR>>>> --MM<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>><BR>>>> *From:* Owen DeLong [<A href="mailto:owen@delong.com">mailto:owen@delong.com</A>]<BR>>>> *Sent:* Thursday, June 19, 2008 4:35 AM<BR>>>> *To:* Milton L Mueller<BR>>>> *Cc:* PPML ppml<BR>>>> *Subject:* Re: [arin-ppml] ARIN address transfer policy<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> It was a joint effort of the entire ARIN AC.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Amendments can be proposed by stating what you want on the list,<BR>> and,<BR>>> will<BR>>>><BR>>>> be implemented, if accepted, by the AC incorporating them into the<BR>> next<BR>>>><BR>>>> revision of the policy.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> Owen<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> On Jun 19, 2008, at 1:19 AM, Milton L Mueller wrote:<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>> I am conducting a systematic analysis of the IPv4 Transfer Policy<BR>>>> Proposal (2008-02). I would like to know who drafted the policy in<BR>> order<BR>>>> to ask questions (off list) about the rationale for certain<BR>> features.<BR>>>> Also would like to know more about the process by which amendments<BR>> are<BR>>>> proposed and implemented. Thanks,<BR>>>><BR>>>> MM<BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> PPML<BR>>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the<BR>> ARIN<BR>>>> Public Policy<BR>>>> Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net <<A href="mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net">mailto:ARIN-PPML@arin.net</A>>).<BR>>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<BR>>>> <A href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</A><BR>>>> Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net<BR>>>> <<A href="mailto:info@arin.net">mailto:info@arin.net</A>> if you experience any issues.<BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>>>><BR>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------<BR>>>><BR>>>> _______________________________________________<BR>>>> PPML<BR>>>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the<BR>> ARIN<BR>>> Public Policy<BR>>>> Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).<BR>>>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<BR>>>> <A href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</A><BR>>>> Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net<BR>> if<BR>>> you experience any issues.<BR>> _______________________________________________<BR>> PPML<BR>> You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the <BR>> ARIN Public Policy<BR>> Mailing List (ARIN-PPML@arin.net).<BR>> Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<BR>> <A href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml</A><BR>> Please contact the ARIN Member Services Help Desk at info@arin.net <BR>> if you experience any issues.<BR><BR></FONT></P></DIV></BODY></HTML>