<br><br><div class="gmail_quote">On Wed, Jun 18, 2008 at 10:39 AM, Owen DeLong <<a href="mailto:owen@delong.com">owen@delong.com</a>> wrote:<br><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
<div style="">From: <a href="http://www.47-usc-230c2.org" target="_blank">http://www.47-usc-230c2.org</a><div><br></div><div><span style="border-collapse: collapse; color: rgb(0, 0, 80); font-family: Arial; font-size: 13px;">(Seven weeks ago, during my phone conversation with ARIN officials relating to the <i>SF Bay Packet Radio</i> IP address block, I requested from ARIN a copy of their archived WHOIS record for the <a href="http://134.17.0.0/16" target="_blank">134.17.0.0/16</a> IP address block, as it existed on any date prior to the formation of Mr. Mulligan's <i>SF Bay Packet Radio, LLC</i>. ARIN declined my request on the basis of their lack of a "policy" under which such archival and formerly publicly available WHOIS data could be provided by ARIN to members of the media or other interested parties.) <br>
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</span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">I'd like to find out from members of the community how they feel about the idea of having such a policy.</span></font></div>
</div></blockquote><div><br>Such a policy already exists. NRPM 3.1<br><br><a href="http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#three1">http://www.arin.net/policy/nrpm.html#three1</a><br><br><h3>3.1. Bulk Copies of ARIN's WHOIS</h3>
<p>ARIN will provide a bulk copy of WHOIS output, including point of
contact information, on the ARIN site for download by any organization
that wishes to obtain the data providing they agree to ARIN's
acceptable use policy. This point of contact information will not
include data marked as private.</p>
<p>[The Request Form for ARIN
Bulk WHOIS Data, which contains the Acceptable Use Policy (AUP) for
Bulk Copies of ARIN WHOIS Data, can be found at:</p>
<p><a href="http://www.arin.net/registration/agreements/bulkwhois.pdf">http://www.arin.net/registration/agreements/bulkwhois.pdf</a>]</p><br> </div><blockquote class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;">
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</span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">Should we develop a policy allowing ARIN to release historical WHOIS records?</span></font> </div>
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<div style=""><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">Should there be any restrictions on the circumstances under which ARIN would do so?</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">If so, what should those restrictions be?</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">My initial inclination is that since this is entirely data which was, at one time, publicly available, publishing it again is entirely appropriate. I can even see some valid use cases for a "whois wayback machine", such as wanting to know the history of an address block.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">In fairness, I have not yet asked ARIN staff about the difficulty of making such data available, so, I don't know whether this is feasible or not. I would, first, like to get a sense from the community of how they feel about development of such a policy.</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">Thanks,</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">Owen DeLong</span></font></div>
<div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;"><br></span></font></div><div><font color="#000050" face="Arial" size="3"><span style="border-collapse: collapse; font-size: 13px;">(Note: This is not a communication from the AC, it is my own individual question)</span></font></div>
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