<HTML><BODY style="word-wrap: break-word; -khtml-nbsp-mode: space; -khtml-line-break: after-white-space; ">Well, I for one would like to take on this project. How does one begin to submit a policy proposal?<DIV><BR class="khtml-block-placeholder"></DIV><DIV>-John</DIV><DIV><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 11, 2007, at 2:15 PM, <A href="mailto:cja@daydream.com">cja@daydream.com</A> wrote:</DIV><BR class="Apple-interchange-newline"><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite">If the policy needs updating I really hope one of you will take on the project and submit suggested changes in the form of a policy proposal. There are a number of us on the AC who are more than willing to help and shepherd it through the process. The great thing about the policy process is that if you don't like a policy you can take action and fix/change it. <BR><BR>Thanks!<BR>----Cathy<BR><BR><DIV><SPAN class="gmail_quote">On 9/11/07, <B class="gmail_sendername">John Von Essen</B> <<A href="mailto:john@quonix.net">john@quonix.net</A>> wrote:</SPAN><BLOCKQUOTE class="gmail_quote" style="border-left: 1px solid rgb(204, 204, 204); margin: 0pt 0pt 0pt 0.8ex; padding-left: 1ex;"> <DIV style="">Identical issues to what I am experiencing. If people look deeply enough, I am confident there are many Org's who operate AS's with no in-addr.arpa SOA on there DNS servers.<DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>If anything, can we agree on the fact the current policy is too vague. I had to email ARIN's hostmaster 2 or 3 times to understand it - it can be read many ways. And the explanation I got from hostmaster was if an AS properly configures at least one in-addr.arpa zone, then Arin will bless the entire delegation and not consider the dns server as lame. To be honest, I have no idea how one draws that conclusion from the wording on the policy.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>DNS is a standard protocol. The policy should specifically state the dns servers must return a valid SOA for each in-addr.arpa in their IP prefix that they advertise from their AS (i.e. they dont have to do it for IPs they dont use). If any in-addr.arpa does not return an SOA, then that AS is in violation, and their nameserver will be considered lame and suspect for removal from reverse delegation. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>I dont think it is a requirement that ARIN proactively seek and find AS's that are in violation, but it should be in the policy.</DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV>Those 2 or 3 sentences are all that is needed. </DIV><DIV><BR></DIV><DIV><SPAN class="q"><BR><DIV><DIV>On Sep 11, 2007, at 12:08 PM, Sam Weiler wrote:</DIV><BR><BLOCKQUOTE type="cite"><DIV style="margin-top: 0px; margin-right: 0px; margin-bottom: 0px; margin-left: 0px; "><FONT style="font-family: Helvetica; font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; font-size: 12px; line-height: normal; font-size-adjust: none;" face="Helvetica" size="3"> dig +trace 79.114.208.in-addr.arpa.</FONT></DIV> </BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR></SPAN><DIV> <SPAN class="q"><SPAN style="border-collapse: separate; border-spacing: 0px; color: rgb(0, 0, 0); font-family: Helvetica; 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letter-spacing: normal; line-height: normal; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px;"> <DIV>Thanks, </DIV><DIV>John Von Essen</DIV><DIV>(800) 248-1736 ext 100</DIV><DIV><A href="mailto:john@quonix.net" target="_blank" onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)">john@quonix.net</A></DIV><BR></SPAN> </SPAN></SPAN></SPAN> </SPAN></DIV><BR></DIV></DIV><BR>_______________________________________________<BR>PPML<BR>You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to the ARIN Public Policy<BR>Mailing List (<A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:PPML@arin.net"> PPML@arin.net</A>).<BR>Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:<BR><A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml" target="_blank">http://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/ppml </A> Please contact the ARIN Member Services<BR>Help Desk at <A onclick="return top.js.OpenExtLink(window,event,this)" href="mailto:info@arin.net">info@arin.net</A> if you experience any issues.<BR><BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV> <BR></BLOCKQUOTE></DIV><BR><DIV> <SPAN class="Apple-style-span" style="border-collapse: separate; 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