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<DIV><SPAN class=066454714-02042007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2>I
strongly disagree</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
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<DIV class=OutlookMessageHeader dir=ltr align=left><FONT face=Tahoma
size=2>-----Original Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> Ted Mittelstaedt
[mailto:tedm@ipinc.net]<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 30, 2007 8:23
PM<BR><B>To:</B> Azinger, Marla; Jim Weyand; ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B>
RE: [ppml] Summary of Trial Balloons for Dealing with
IPv4AddressCountdown<BR><BR></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>Marla, the
evolution thing is already listed, it is item #2</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>As for reserve
space, that would only be relevant if the Internet were to not ever
switch</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>over to
IPv6. Once we hit the 80-90th percentile of sites on the Internet
reachable via</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>IPv6, your going
to see a lot of people beginning to block out ALL IPv4 route
advertisements</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>merely to save
space in their routing tables.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>I do not see how
on an Internet that is IPv6, that you could have any support
for</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>a legacy block of
routed IPv4. It would become a ghetto that would be
used</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>by spammers and
all manner of criminals to launch network attacks. No,
the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>sites that feel
they cannot switch over to IPv6 will simply have to
disconnect</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>once most of the
rest of the world is IPv6.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>Personally
I might not mind drivng a car in the US that has a 150 inch width
but</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>the rest of the
world isn't going to widen it's roads for me. Thus it will be for
the</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial size=2>sites that want to
stay IPv4 forever.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT face=Arial
size=2>Ted</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN class=817171203-31032007><FONT
face=Arial></FONT></SPAN></FONT></FONT> </DIV>
<DIV><FONT face=Tahoma><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=817171203-31032007> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Azinger,
Marla<BR><B>Sent:</B> Friday, March 30, 2007 3:22 PM<BR><B>To:</B> Jim Weyand;
ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> Re: [ppml] Summary of Trial Balloons for
Dealing with IPv4AddressCountdown<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Jim- Thank you for taking time on this issue and trying to
organize the thoughts a bit.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Right now I view alot of the sujbect matter that makes up this issue
as being resolved by evolution. That said there is one thing on
your list below that we could write policy for and one thing that is not on
your list that needs to be discussed and possibly policy written
for.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The one thing that you dont have below that I think does need to be
answered by our community is...should we have a reserve of IPv4 space?
If yes, who/what would qualify for the reserved address space? Are
there truely entities that will never be able to transition to IPv4?
Who can do the research to create a list of valid
qualifications?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>The item on your list below that could use policy is Recycling IPv4
addresses after we have ran out. How is the RIR to handle this?
Do they put them on a wait list? Is the wait list first come first
serve? Is it prioritized somehow? Or if we voted to have a
reserve are the returned IPv4 addresses added to the reserve and all
that dont qualify under reserve standards are told switch to
IPv6?</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2></FONT></SPAN> </DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Ok. That is my two cents.</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Thank you for your time</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Marla Azinger</FONT></SPAN></DIV>
<DIV><SPAN class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff
size=2>Frontier Communications</FONT></SPAN></DIV><SPAN
class=073520422-30032007></SPAN><FONT face=Tahoma>
<DIV><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff size=2></FONT><BR><FONT size=2><SPAN
class=073520422-30032007><FONT face=Arial color=#0000ff>[Azinger,
Marla] </FONT></SPAN></FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=2><SPAN class=073520422-30032007> </SPAN>-----Original
Message-----<BR><B>From:</B> ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net]<B>On Behalf Of </B>Jim Weyand<BR><B>Sent:</B>
Friday, March 30, 2007 2:35 PM<BR><B>To:</B>
ppml@arin.net<BR><B>Subject:</B> [ppml] Summary of Trial Balloons for
Dealing with IPv4 AddressCountdown<BR><BR></DIV></FONT></FONT>
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<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It seems like it is time to
start the relatively hard work of actually developing alternative policy
proposals to deal with the IPv4 Address Exhaustion Issue. <SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is too late to prepare proposals
for the April meeting but we have about 5 months before the cutoff for the
October meeting.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>I have never
written a proposal to any of the governing bodies but my guess it will
take at least that long to: gather a group of like-minded individuals;
negotiate the details of what to propose; write the proposal; seek
feedback; rewrite the proposal; etc, etc until the proposal is either
accepted or made irrelevant by another
proposal.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I find myself struggling with
how to convert the suggestions and comments on this list into actual
policy proposals.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">I think it is useful at this
point to list the different trial balloons and proposals that have been
suggested and discussed regarding IPv4 address exhaustion.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>If you have a favorite that I have
missed, send it to me privately and I will send out a revised summary in a
week or so.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">1)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Policy Proposal 2007-12: IPv4
Countdown Policy Proposal – I believe this is the only proposal that can
be voted on at the upcoming meeting in April.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The full text can be found at: <A
href="http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_12.html">http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_12.html</A>.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN><SPAN class=GramE>This proposal
will</SPAN>, “Set the date for termination of (IPv4) allocations and the
date of announcement”.<SPAN style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>This
proposal specifically does not address IP address recycling except to say
that, “Recovery of unused address space should be discussed
separately.”<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">2)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An informal proposal to not
make any changes to current policy until absolutely
necessary<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">3)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An informal proposal to
encourage address recycling by increasing ARIN dues
<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">4)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Several similar informal
proposals to encourage recycling by empowering ARIN to more actively
police the use of IPv4 addresses by various
means<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">5)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An informal proposal to change
the nature of assigned IPv4 addresses to something similar to real
property<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">6)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An informal proposal to ask
holders of unused address IPv4 addresses to voluntarily return the
addresses<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">7)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">Several variants of informal
proposals to start assigning IPv6 space with
IPv4<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal
style="MARGIN-LEFT: 0.5in; TEXT-INDENT: -0.25in; mso-list: l0 level1 lfo1; tab-stops: list .5in"><![if !supportLists]><FONT
face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial; mso-fareast-font-family: Arial"><SPAN
style="mso-list: Ignore">8)<FONT face="Times New Roman" size=1><SPAN
style="FONT: 7pt 'Times New Roman'">
</SPAN></FONT></SPAN></SPAN></FONT><![endif]><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">An informal proposal to get
<SPAN class=SpellE>endusers</SPAN> to demand access to IPv6 networks by
creating a media storm similar to Y2K.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial"><o:p> </o:p></SPAN></FONT></P>
<P class=MsoNormal><FONT face=Arial size=2><SPAN
style="FONT-SIZE: 10pt; FONT-FAMILY: Arial">It is time to make up your
mind, roll up your sleeves and get to work.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>The current policies for dealing
with IPv4 Addresses are not causing a crisis… yet.<SPAN
style="mso-spacerun: yes"> </SPAN>It is however an urgent issue and
extremely
important.<o:p></o:p></SPAN></FONT></P></DIV></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>