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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Marla<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>I agree with you. There has to be a
policy for at least critical infrastructure if nothing else.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The aviation industry especially is going
to be stuck dealing with both aircraft and ground infrastructures (you can’t
force nations or business to change their stack to suite someone else) that are
mixed; existing OSI based ATC, just entering IPv4 Airbus 380 and Boeing 787,
and our future aircraft that will be IPv6; we probably have somewhere between
20 and 30 years of living in this mixed environment.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:navy'>The ISP’s may want to stop handling
legacy v4 traffic at some point; but I think government may weigh in here at
some point (sure it may cost us..) too.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:
Arial;color:navy'>Take care</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> <br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=navy face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:navy'>Terry</span></font><font color=navy><span
style='color:navy'> </span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><b><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma;font-weight:bold'>From:</span></font></b><font size=2
face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> Azinger, Marla
[mailto:marla.azinger@frontiercorp.com] <br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Monday, April 02, 2007 7:47
AM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Ted Mittelstaedt; Jim Weyand;
ppml@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ppml] Summary of
Trial Balloons for Dealing withIPv4AddressCountdown</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>I strongly disagree</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'>-----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> Ted Mittelstaedt
[mailto:tedm@ipinc.net]<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 30, 2007 8:23
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Azinger, Marla; Jim Weyand;
ppml@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> RE: [ppml] Summary of
Trial Balloons for Dealing with IPv4AddressCountdown</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Marla, the evolution thing is already listed, it is
item #2</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>As for reserve space, that would only be relevant if the
Internet were to not ever switch</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>over to IPv6. Once we hit the 80-90th percentile of
sites on the Internet reachable via</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>IPv6, your going to see a lot of people beginning to block
out ALL IPv4 route advertisements</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>merely to save space in their routing tables.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I do not see how on an Internet that is IPv6, that you could
have any support for</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>a legacy block of routed IPv4. It would become a
ghetto that would be used</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>by spammers and all manner of criminals to launch network
attacks. No, the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>sites that feel they cannot switch over to IPv6 will simply
have to disconnect</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>once most of the rest of the world is IPv6.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Personally I might not mind drivng a car in the <st1:country-region
w:st="on"><st1:place w:st="on">US</st1:place></st1:country-region> that has a
150 inch width but</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>the rest of the world isn't going to widen it's roads for
me. Thus it will be for the</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>sites that want to stay IPv4 forever.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>Ted</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> -----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Azinger,
Marla<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 30, 2007 3:22
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> Jim Weyand; ppml@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> Re: [ppml] Summary of
Trial Balloons for Dealing with IPv4AddressCountdown<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Jim- Thank you for taking time on
this issue and trying to organize the thoughts a bit.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Right now I view alot of the sujbect
matter that makes up this issue as being resolved by evolution.
That said there is one thing on your list below that we could write policy for
and one thing that is not on your list that needs to be discussed and possibly
policy written for.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The one thing that you dont have below
that I think does need to be answered by our community is...should we have a
reserve of IPv4 space? If yes, who/what would qualify for the reserved
address space? Are there truely entities that will never be able to
transition to IPv4? Who can do the research to create a list of valid
qualifications?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>The item on your list below that could use
policy is Recycling IPv4 addresses after we have ran out. How is the RIR
to handle this? Do they put them on a wait list? Is the wait list
first come first serve? Is it prioritized somehow? Or if we voted
to have a reserve are the returned IPv4 addresses added to the reserve and
all that dont qualify under reserve standards are told switch to IPv6?</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face="Times New Roman"><span style='font-size:
12.0pt'> <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Ok. That is my two cents.</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Thank you for your time</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Marla Azinger</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:
10.0pt;font-family:Arial;color:blue'>Frontier Communications</span></font><o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=3 face=Tahoma><span style='font-size:12.0pt;
font-family:Tahoma'><br>
</span></font><font size=2 color=blue face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial;color:blue'>[Azinger, Marla] </span></font><font
face=Tahoma><span style='font-family:Tahoma'><o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-bottom:12.0pt'><font size=2 face=Tahoma><span
style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Tahoma'> -----Original Message-----<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>From:</span></b> ppml-bounces@arin.net
[mailto:ppml-bounces@arin.net]<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>On Behalf Of </span></b>Jim
Weyand<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Sent:</span></b> Friday, March 30, 2007 2:35
PM<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>To:</span></b> ppml@arin.net<br>
<b><span style='font-weight:bold'>Subject:</span></b> [ppml] Summary of Trial
Balloons for Dealing with IPv4 AddressCountdown<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It seems like it is time to start the relatively hard work
of actually developing alternative policy proposals to deal with the IPv4
Address Exhaustion Issue. It is too late to prepare proposals for the
April meeting but we have about 5 months before the cutoff for the October
meeting. I have never written a proposal to any of the governing bodies
but my guess it will take at least that long to: gather a group of like-minded
individuals; negotiate the details of what to propose; write the proposal; seek
feedback; rewrite the proposal; etc, etc until the proposal is either accepted
or made irrelevant by another proposal.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I find myself struggling with how to convert the suggestions
and comments on this list into actual policy proposals.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>I think it is useful at this point to list the different
trial balloons and proposals that have been suggested and discussed regarding
IPv4 address exhaustion. If you have a favorite that I have missed, send
it to me privately and I will send out a revised summary in a week or so.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'><o:p> </o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>1)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Policy
Proposal 2007-12: IPv4 Countdown Policy Proposal – I believe this is the
only proposal that can be voted on at the upcoming meeting in April. The
full text can be found at: <a
href="http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_12.html">http://www.arin.net/policy/proposals/2007_12.html</a>.
This proposal will, “Set the date for termination of (IPv4) allocations
and the date of announcement”. This proposal specifically does not
address IP address recycling except to say that, “Recovery of unused
address space should be discussed separately.”<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>2)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An informal
proposal to not make any changes to current policy until absolutely necessary<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>3)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An informal
proposal to encourage address recycling by increasing ARIN dues <o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>4)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Several
similar informal proposals to encourage recycling by empowering ARIN to more
actively police the use of IPv4 addresses by various means<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>5)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An informal
proposal to change the nature of assigned IPv4 addresses to something similar
to real property<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>6)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An informal
proposal to ask holders of unused address IPv4 addresses to voluntarily return
the addresses<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>7)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>Several
variants of informal proposals to start assigning IPv6 space with IPv4<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal style='margin-left:.5in;text-indent:-.25in'><font size=2
face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>8)</span></font><font
size=1><span style='font-size:7.0pt'> </span></font><font
size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;font-family:Arial'>An informal
proposal to get endusers to demand access to IPv6 networks by creating a media
storm similar to Y2K.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
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<p class=MsoNormal><font size=2 face=Arial><span style='font-size:10.0pt;
font-family:Arial'>It is time to make up your mind, roll up your sleeves and
get to work. The current policies for dealing with IPv4 Addresses are not
causing a crisis… yet. It is however an urgent issue and extremely
important.<o:p></o:p></span></font></p>
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