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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I don`t usually post ditto messages, but it somehow seems appropriate here. I can`t type nearly as fast as William (<40 symbols/minute) so someone usually responds long before me. I am also mostly in "Listen Mode". I fall into both categories for limited postings, but I will add a third reason:</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>3. I do not always write my thoughts in a clear and concise fashion, therefore, I fear the grammar police. I can say though that the grammar police have been very constructive here on ppml. Some very good spin doctors here as well. But I also do not want to waste other`s time.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>I am not an RIR member. I subscribed to ppml as I have an interest in how the global internet is shaped. And certainly anything ARIN does can have significant impact on the global internet.</FONT></P>
<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Cutler, James R [<A HREF="mailto:james.cutler@eds.com">mailto:james.cutler@eds.com</A>]</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: Friday, April 25, 2003 4:33 AM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: ARIN Policy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: RE: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>I am a member of the ppml and NANOG lists, among many others. Over the</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>years I have found two things:</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>1. If I wait to respond, there are at least two others who will essentially</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>respond with my thoughts, often in better words than I can. (The ppml list</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>top twenty contains at least four such participants.)</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>2. Responding to the more outrageous and egregious messages usually results</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>in ad hominum attacks, so I try to refrain from responding to those</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>messages.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>The net result is to be in "Listen Mode" for the most part. Sometimes, I</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>have found a new list, tried it, and found the noise level to be too high to</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>spend any time there. For NANOG and ARIN lists, I just tolerate the noise</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>bursts.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>James R. Cutler, EDS</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>800 Tower Drive, Troy, MI 48098</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>1 248 265 7514</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>james.cutler@eds.com</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-----Original Message-----</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>From: Leo Bicknell [<A HREF="mailto:bicknell@ufp.org">mailto:bicknell@ufp.org</A>] </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Sent: 2003-04-24, Thursday 6:44 PM</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>To: ARIN Policy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>Subject: Re: [ppml] Re: Independent space from ARIN</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2><snip></FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>What would be interesting to know is is that silent majority silent because</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>they are happy, silent because they are afraid to speak up, or silent</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>because they simply don't know this list and/or the meetings exist?</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>-- </FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> Leo Bicknell - bicknell@ufp.org - CCIE 3440</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2> PGP keys at <A HREF="http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/" TARGET="_blank">http://www.ufp.org/~bicknell/</A></FONT>
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