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<font size=3>At 09:58 18 02 03 Tuesday, J Bacher wrote:<br><br>
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<blockquote type=cite class=cite cite>On Tue, 18 Feb 2003, Dr. Jeffrey
Race wrote:<br><br>
> >Are you proposing that ARIN revoke certain resources
(assignments,<br>
> >allocations, ASNs, etc) under certain conditions to
influence<br>
> >certain behaviors (decreasing SPAM propagation)?<br>
> <br>
> Yes! It is the only way proven to ensure good behavior among the
<br>
> refractory and the negligent. It gets their
attention. Initially<br><br>
<cut><br>
<br>
> Why not and what can be done? It is an obvious loophole
in the<br>
> system from the point of view of a sociologist of group
behavior.<br>
> If the Motor Vehicle Registry can't revoke licenses for abuse,<br>
> of course the drivers will ignore the rules.<br><br>
The state can revoke a license under authority of the law.<br><br>
Vocal anti-spammers can't even agree as to what exactly constitutes
the<br>
various types of unsolicited email. I can't see how we can expect
to<br>
draft a proposal that goes above any law in this country and expect
ARIN<br>
to have the resources to enforce it.<br><br>
Your original post (possibly the first bullet point) suggested that
ISPs<br>
*prevent* this type of abuse. What solutions can you offer that
will<br>
allow an ISP to prevent spam?</blockquote><br>
If I might, while I'm new to this list, I deal with the junk daily.
The problem is ISPs and individuals buying large blocks of IPs then
reselling them to others and then washing their hands of the mess.
I can point you to dozens of examples of this. Someone goes out and
buy 30-40 /24's then sells them to whomever will pay for them and since
they're not hosted on the same backbone as the address owner they are not
held liable by their upstream provider(s) for the spam generated on the
resold blocks. Those blocks often end up in Asia or South America
where ISPs often do not enforce any kind of AUP. <br><br>
As for the vocal anti-spammers not agreeing on what constitutes UE, I
disagree. UE is any mail sent unsolicited and without the
addressee's permission. Furthermore, forged headers or relayed mail
is abusive. Go look at the major backbone providers like C&W
& uu.net. Their AUPs are quite clear.<br><br>
To top it all off, many of these blocks, when SWIP'd, contain fraudulent
information. ICANN will revoke a fraudulent or invalid domain
registration why can't ARIN revoke a fraudulent IP SWIP and if the block
owner is found to also have fraudulent or invalid registration
information they should have their entire block revoked. That's the
way the rest of the world works. Do you think the FCC would allow
someone to buy a block of frequencies and give them false contact
info? The FCC would yank the licenses immediately with NO
refund. ARIN must evolve to function like the rest of the
world. Apply existing fraud laws. If someone obtains goods or
services under misleading or fraudulent circumstances no matter the
intended use they have violated criminal laws in every state and Federal
laws as well. Why can't ARIN use existing laws to go after
them?<br><br>
Anyway, if ARIN doesn't get its act together count on the government
coming up with a "solution" that doesn't work and is impossible
to enforce. Simple rules work best. Register your IPs with
valid info. Keep that info up to date. Follow an established
AUP with those IPs. Violate any one and you lose them all with no
refund.</font></body>
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<div>Sincerely,</div>
<div>ComCept Solutions, LLC.</div>
<br>
<div>Brian S. Bergin</div>
<div>Network Systems Administrator</div>
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<div>(828) 265-1234</div>
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