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<TITLE>RE: [ppml] ARIN Policy Proposal 2002-7</TITLE>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>on 9/26/2002 Whipple, Scott (CCI-Atlanta) wrote:</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>Again this entire reasoning doesn't have much weight because anyone in</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>the general public that has concern about ARIN policies can be involved</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>in shaping them. I also believe that if ARIN did start to assign blocks</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>longer then a /20 you would find that there are many ISPs that would</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>filter them out. This is not something that can be voted on or discussed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>It is up to the individual organizations on how they set up there filters.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>I'm not sure how it would help companies to get smaller blocks that</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>probably are not going to be routable anyway. I know routing is not an</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>ARIN concern but I think if we are going to change an existing guideline</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>>we should take it in consideration.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>Since I am a member of the general public, I propose the following real</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>life scenario...</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>CompanyA and CompanyB, each having their own autonomy, are using private</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>IP addresses as described in RFC1918. Both Companies are connected</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>independently to the internet via their ISP of choice. Both companies wish</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>to connect to each other directly (not through the internet). Since there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>is a conflict in IP addresses, NAT is necessary. CompanyA needs about 100</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>distinct IP addresses (to start anyway). To the best of my knowledge, there</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>is currently no way to get a non-routable or routable public /24 to satisfy</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>these requirements.</FONT>
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<P><FONT SIZE=2>As for routablility, neither company needs or wants these addresses routed.</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>How many other currently silent small businesses out there have a similar</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>situation? How many of them know about ARIN, this mailing list, etc...</FONT>
<BR><FONT SIZE=2>IOW, how would they know when, how and where to discuss or vote?</FONT>
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