[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text

[Owen DeLong]

> On Mar 7, 2026, at 07:34, Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com> wrote:
> 
> +1 to Eric’s change to LIR definition and +1 to Owen’s suggestion to drop “at a local level” from the revision for the reason’s both suggested.
> 
> So revised would be: 
> 
> "A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR which receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR for allocation to its customers, end-users, and infrastructure.

I think member is the wrong term here. Perhaps “client of an RIR", “customer of an RIR", or simply “organization”. 

Owen
> --
> 
> Douglas J. Camin
> 
> doug at dougcamin.com
> 
> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Date: Saturday, March 7, 2026 at 10:18 AM
> To: Eric C. Landgraf <echarlie at vt.edu>
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text
> 
> 
> 
> > On Mar 6, 2026, at 11:07, Eric C. Landgraf <echarlie at vt.edu> wrote:
> >
> > On Thu, 05 Mar 2026 12:55:47 -0500 ARIN wrote:
> >> Section 2:
> >>
> >> Rewrite the LIR definition to provide clarity and relationship to ISP
> >>
> >> 2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR)
> >>
> >> A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR,
> >> receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR, for allocation
> >> to its customers, end-users, and infrastructure, at a local level.
> >> LIRs include Internet Service Providers (ISPs) whose customers are
> >> primarily end users and possibly other ISPs. Historically in the ARIN
> >> service region "ISP" was used as an equivalent, albeit incomplete,
> >> term.
> >
> > The wording of this section is awkward, as the first sentence is
> > incomplete. I suggest modifying it to read:
> > "A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is an IR that is a member of an RIR
> > which receives allocations of internet numbers from that RIR for
> > allocation to its customers, end-users, and infrastructure at a local
> > level."
> 
> “At a local level” is an interesting choice of words here given that some LIRs are more global than the RIR they are receiving addresses from.
> 
> It doesn’t really add meaning to the policy, so I suggest dropping that phrase altogether.
> 
> >
> >> 2.18 Internet Service Provider (ISP)
> >>
> >> An Internet Service Provider (ISP) is a type of organization that
> >> provides Internet services to other organizations, its customers,
> >> and\or individuals other than its employees. Internet services
> >> include, but are not limited to, connectivity services, web services,
> >> colocation, dedicated servers, virtual private servers, and virtual
> >> private networks.
> >
> > This should be corrected with "and/or", though in this community "or"
> > may be sufficient.
> 
> Disagree. “Include but are not limited to” eliminates the need for “or” since any item is included in the list, but not mandated by the and.
> 
> Owen
> 
> > Otherwise, I support this policy. I think this cleans up the PPML
> > substantially.
> >
> >    Eric C. Landgraf
> >    Virginia Tech
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