[arin-ppml] Seeking Comments - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum Criteria

Thu Apr 16 20:53:14 EDT 2026

The in-region usage should not be neither /22 or /24 but +50% of ARIN 
resources assigned to the organization, in line with other RIRs.

It does not make sense to get resources from ARIN and use most of it in 
other regions. If you have a bigger need in other region ask (or 
transfer) IPs in the region within the respective RIR.
IP space is organized in Regional Internet Registers for a reason, to be 
used for the reality of that region, to develop the internet in the 
region. It doesn't make sense to take resources from one region and use 
completely in the other. Otherwise it is too easy and flexible to choose 
the more flexible and cheap RIR but use resources in a different region.
Policies that are developed and apply to those IP space are developed 
taking into consideration the reality of that region internet ecosystem.

Using a smaller amount of that IP space for auxiliary proposes is 
accepts (an international link, a ARIN customer that also needs 
connectivity somewhere else in another region, etc). But not majority of it.

I think people need to learn how to live with fewer IP addresses and 
make the best usage of it.
If majority of that assigned IP space is required in another region, 
then just transfer it.

Fernando Frediani

On 4/16/2026 4:45 PM, Mohibul Mahmud wrote:
>
> Hello Gerry,
>
> Thank you for starting this discussion.
>
> I generally support the proposed change from a /22 to a /24 for the 
> in-region usage requirement.
>
> The current threshold seems too high for smaller organizations that 
> may have legitimate operational needs extending outside the ARIN 
> region, but do not have enough in-region utilization to meet a /22. 
> Lowering the requirement to a /24 appears to better reflect the 
> reality that smaller operators can still have a real and valid 
> connection to the ARIN region.
>
> At the same time, I think the community should carefully consider 
> safeguards against abuse. In particular, it would be helpful to 
> clarify whether the existing “real and substantial connection” 
> standard is enough on its own, or whether additional guidance is 
> needed for cases where out-of-region use significantly exceeds 
> in-region use.
>
> Overall, I think this proposal is addressing a real scale problem for 
> smaller organizations, and I support moving the discussion forward.
>
> Best regards,
> Mohibul Mahmud
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 16, 2026 at 1:26 PM Gerry E.. George 
> <ggeorge at digisolv.com> wrote:
>
>     Hello PPML members,
>
>     As we head to the ARIN 57 Public Policy and Members Meetings, I am
>     seeking to initiate and encourage some discussion on the Draft
>     Policy ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out-of-Region Use Minimum
>     Criteria.  This is in anticipation of getting some robust
>     discussion on PPML and also for engagement at the mic along during
>     the meeting.
>
>
>           ARIN-2025-3: Change Section 9 Out Of Region Use Minimum
>           Criteria
>           <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_3/>
>
>     *The Problem:*Current ARIN policy allows IPv4 addresses to be used
>     outside the ARIN service region if the organization is using an
>     IPv4 /22 (or equivalent aggregate) within the ARIN service region.
>     This draft policy suggests the /22 requirement harms smaller
>     organizations that have less than a /22 in region but do require
>     some out of region use.
>
>
>     *What It Does:*This draft policy reduces the in-region usage
>     requirement from /22 to a /24.
>
>
>     *The Impact:*This draft policy would allow usage of ARIN issued
>     space outside of the ARIN region as long as the organization is
>     using at least a /24 within the ARIN region.
>
>
>
>     In Summary: Updates Section 9 rules on using ARIN resources
>     outside region.
>
>     *Considerations*:
>
>     - How much of an issue could this be?  Does it matter to the
>     community?
>
>     - Should there be a requirement for the OOR use be not
>     more/greater than the in-ARIN region use?
>
>     - Can this unfavorably impact companies having more growth OOR,
>     and drive them to other RIRs and away from ARIN in such instances?
>
>     - Is there a probability for potential abuse via the Waitlist, and
>     if so, should there be consideration for limitations to the
>     designated region use for 4.1.8. requests?
>
>     - Is the "real and substantial connection" requirement in Section
>     9 be sufficient to prohibit or reduce the potential for abuse?
>
>
>
>     Here are some potential discussion questions:
>
>       * What problem is this solving—abuse, ambiguity, or scale?
>       * Does tightening rules harm global operators?
>       * How should ARIN balance regional stewardship vs. global
>         Internet reality?
>       * Are there measurable enforcement mechanisms?
>
>
>     Looking forward to some robust discourse and to the presentation
>     and engagement next week at ARIN-57.
>
>
>     *Gerry E. George*
>     ICT Consultant and Business Solutions Architect;
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