[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2025-1: Clarify ISP and LIR Definitions and References to Address Ambiguity in NRPM Text

[Seun Ojedeji]

Hi William,

On Wed, 17 Sept 2025 at 13:15, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us> wrote:

> On Wed, Sep 17, 2025 at 9:21 AM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML
> <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> > Exactly what Jay said. David’s definitions are livable, but why not join
> > the rest of the world in using globally accepted terminology rather than
> > contorting the definition of ISP because we can.
>
> Hi Owen,
>
> Because using the same term as the rest of the world might lead people
> to think it means the same thing here that it does there. Which it
> doesn't. But you already knew that.
>
> For anyone who doesn't know what I'm digging at: ARIN doesn't delegate
> address management to countries and states as happens in other
> regions. Those regions call country-level registries "local," as in
> Local Internet Registry (LIR). We _could_ do that if we changed the
> policies that way, but it would be a major change: not  just picking
> preferred terminology.
>

SO: AFRINIC for instance doesn't do what you've stated above i.e delegating
management to countries, that the L in LIR mean Local doesn't imply other
RIR have local delegation in the manner you've described above. Only
exception would be APNIC that have NIR (national internet registries) which
would fit your description above.. Reviewing the definition of LIRs to
incorporate ISPs seems to be an appropriate route instead of the other way
round.  Here is current description of LIR for the AFRINIC region as an
example:

A Local Internet Registry (LIR) - primarily assigns Internet resources to
the users and customers of the network services it provides.
LIRs are generally ISPs, with customers consisting primarily of end-users
and possibly other ISPs. Hosting services providers, as well as any
organisations that shall issue IPs to their customers or third-parties as
part of a service offering, are also categorised as LIRs.

Regards

>
> Instead, ARIN lets organizations which provide network infrastructure
> to their customers manage the IP addresses used with that
> infrastructure. You know: providers of Internet service, sometimes
> called ISPs.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
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> https://bill.herrin.us/
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