[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons

[David Farmer]

Thanks John,

Some follow-up questions;

1. Is there a reassignment mechanism for ASNs? I'm not aware of one.
A natural person not operating a business can obtain IP addresses from an
ISP/LIR and expect them to be reassigned to them for their use. But how
does a natural person not operating a business obtain an ASN for their use?
This seems like a hole in the system.

2. If a natural person is not operating a business, and their only
relationship to ARIN is indirectly through an ISP or LIR, what about
portability, and what happens if the ISP/LIR goes bankrupt? If we do not
allow a direct relationship between ARIN and natural persons not
operating a business, then the system needs some mechanism to support
ISP/LIR portability and protections for ISP/LIR bankruptcy.

Allowing a direct relationship between ARIN and natural persons not
operating a business seems easier than devising an ISP/LIR portability
solution.

Thanks.

On Wed, Jun 4, 2025 at 9:48 AM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:

> David –
>
> An excellent question indeed.
>
> ARIN does not limit who can receive a simple or detailed reassignment.
> For detailed reassignment, we will have them sign an RSA and create an
> OrgID for party (allowing them to use services such as IRR), but the
> resources remain ultimately under control of the ISP doing the
> reassignment, and that ISP is ARIN's customer.
>
> Thanks!
> /John
>
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>
>
> On Jun 3, 2025, at 11:11 PM, David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu> wrote:
>
> John,
>
> Thanks to the ARIN Staff and you for the detailed staff and legal review;
> it defines the problem well.
>
> I have a related question about organizations from a slightly
> different angle than direct allocations made by ARIN.
>
> Considering reassignments and reallocations and their interactions with
> organizations in the database, particularly when creating an Org ID or an
> organization within the database to receive a reassignment or reallocation.
> Are natural persons not operating a business allowed to be listed as an
> organization solely for obtaining a detailed reassignment or reallocation?
> Or are natural persons not operating a business effectively limited to
> receiving a simple reassignment instead, because to be an organization, at
> least for a direct allocation from ARIN, a natural person must be operating
> a business?
>
> It seems unlikely that allowing natural persons to receive a reassignment
> or reallocation would impact ARIN's B2B operational status, whereas a
> direct allocation from ARIN would.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Thnaks
>
>
>  facilitate a detailed reassignment do curenet procedures
>
> On Tue, Jun 3, 2025 at 7:39 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
>
>> Folks -
>>
>> The (initial)  staff and legal review for Draft Policy ARIN-2025-4 is
>> available online in the Policy section of the ARIN website.
>>
>> Direct link - <
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
>> >
>>
>> FYI,
>> /John
>>
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>
>>
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