[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2025-5: Clarify justification requirements for 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP addresses

[Martin Hannigan]

Hi Kaitlyn,

Thanks for the followup. I'm not in favor of continuing to work on this
draft.

- Scope creep, attempts to change three policies and create a new one.
Unclear if this is one or four proposals?
- Duplicative text, inserts nearly identical blocks in multiple sections.
Seems like a job for Section 9.
- Conflicts with Section 9, introduces more ambiguity and sets up for
future conflict
- Undermines section 11, where there are clearly out of region experiments
that can easily be imagined using ARIN resources that make sense which
staff has flexibility to support the experimental uses appropriately
- What's broken?

I also didn't see a staff experience report noting this was a problem or
what the current staff practice is. Good chance I missed it if there was
one though.

Hope that helps, and thanks.

-M<


On Mon, Jul 14, 2025 at 10:55 AM Pellak, Kaitlyn <kaitjean at amazon.com>
wrote:

> Hi Martin,
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> Appreciate your feedback. Just to be clear, in your view there are no
> revisions to the policy language that would make this proposal more
> palatable?
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> I want to make sure this isn’t a case where we could wordsmith the policy
> to prevent conflicts with section 9, or be more specific in the language
> that applies to each section.
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> Thanks,
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> Kaitlyn
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> Kaitlyn Pellak
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> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II
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> kaitjean at amazon.com
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> *From: *ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of Martin
> Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com>
> *Date: *Sunday, July 13, 2025 at 9:16 PM
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> *Subject: *RE: [EXTERNAL] [arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2025-5: Clarify
> justification requirements for 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP addresses
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> - not in favor
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> Poor policy writing to stamp multiple sections with boilerplate and set up
> future conflict with Section 9 - and bloat the NRPM additionally.
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> Warm regards,
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> -M>
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> On Tue, Jul 1, 2025 at 14:35 ARIN <info at arin.net> wrote:
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> On 26 June 2025, the ARIN Advisory Council (AC) accepted “ARIN-prop-344:
> Clarify justification requirements for 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP
> addresses” as Draft Policy.
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> Draft Policy ARIN-2025-5 is below and can be found at:
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> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_5
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> You are encouraged to discuss all Draft Policies on PPML. The AC will
> evaluate the discussion to assess the conformance of this draft policy with
> ARIN's Principles of Internet number resource policy as stated in the
> Policy Development Process (PDP). Specifically, these principles are:
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> * Enabling Fair and Impartial Number Resource Administration
> * Technically Sound
> * Supported by the Community
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> The PDP can be found at:
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> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/
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> Draft Policies and Proposals under discussion can be found at:
> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/
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> Regards,
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> Eddie Diego
> Policy Analyst
> American Registry for Internet Numbers (ARIN)
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> Draft Policy ARIN-2025-5: Clarify justification requirements for 4.4,
> 4.10, 6.10, and 11.10 IP addresses
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> Problem Statement:
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> The NRPM text is ambiguous about whether out of region use cases can
> justify requests for IP addresses allocated under 4.4, 4.10, 6.10, and
> 11.10, as well as whether these IP Addresses impact justification
> requirements for normal IP addresses. This change codifies ARIN Staff's
> current practices to remove this ambiguity, removing a source of confusion
> for resource requesters.
>
> Policy statement:
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> Add the following to 4.4:
> Justifications for resources under this section must be for use within the
> ARIN service region. Resources issued under this section may also be used
> out of
> region if that use is consistent with the in-region justification (for
> example, global Anycast). Resources issued under this section have no
> impact on the justification or utilization requirements for requests under
> any other section.
>
> Add the following to 4.10:
> Justifications for resources under this section must be for use within the
> ARIN service region. Resources issued under this section may also be used
> out of region if that use is consistent with the in-region justification
> (for example, global Anycast). Resources issued under this section have no
> impact on the justification or utilization requirements for requests under
> any other section.
>
> Add the following to 6.10:
> Justifications for resources under this section must be for use within the
> ARIN service region. Resources issued under this section may also be used
> out of region if that use is consistent with the in-region justification
> (for example, global Anycast). Resources issued under this section have no
> impact on the justification or utilization requirements for requests under
> any other section.
>
> Add Section 11.10:
> Justifications for resources under this section must be for use within the
> ARIN service region. Resources issued under this section may also be used
> out of region if that use is consistent with the in-region justification
> (for example, global Anycast). Resources issued under this section have no
> impact on the justification or utilization requirements for requests under
> any other section.
>
> Time Table for Implementation: Immediate
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