[arin-ppml] ARIN-2025-4: Resource Issuance to Natural Persons -- Request for Feedback

[David Conrad]

Martin,

I thought the point of this policy was that there are jurisdictions in which obtaining the necessary government organizational paperwork was costly/onerous.  Given the RIRs are geographic monopolies, the current situation would indeed appear to be discriminatory — if said individuals could ‘vote with their feet’, this wouldn’t be an issue. The fact that one can propose a policy to remedy does not change that fact — it only changes if the policy is accepted.

Regards,
-drc

> On Jul 12, 2025, at 5:39 PM, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ARIN does not have a hard non-discriminatory requirement. This is why
> there's a policy process. Which is why we have this proposal.
> 
> I don't believe the problem statement demonstrates a need for a
> change. The existing process doesn't "limit access". It sets a
> condition. The applicant can adhere to requirements and get resources
> as a result. Because there isn't a local requirement to forn an
> entity, register or get a business certificate that doesn't
> automagically invalidate the ARIN requirement. Comparing to another
> RIR isn't relevant;  ARIN business processes and obligations are
> different and so are community expectations.
> 
> Most importantly, the proposal doesn't identify any actual harm caused
> by existing policy.
> 
> +continue to work on
> 
> Warm regards,
> 
> -M<
> 
> 
> 
> On Sat, Jul 12, 2025 at 2:48 AM jordi.palet--- via ARIN-PPML
> <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Hi Noah,
>> 
>> Not accepting this policy will be a discrimination.
>> 
>> The RIRs were created to distribute resources. Never it was a condition that the resources are only for organization. Individuals can have business, or other needs to have resources and avoid renumbering. In addition to that, in the case of IPv6, having your own resources is the only way to properly do multihoming, and clearly the world is moving to IPv6.
>> 
>> ARIN, as all the other RIRs, already allocate resources to individuals. The problem is that in the case of ARIN this is restricted to individuals that “register a business” depending on each region laws. This is easy to handle, as I understood, in US nd even Canada. In fact it has been said that in some US states, you don’t need to do any registration, so you can get the resources from ARIN directly. The problem is that this not necessarily is so straightforward (and even costly) in other countries covered by ARIN, so not doing so create differences among people depending on where they live, and this is not right for a RIR.
>> 
>> The most strict policy text is in LACNIC, but the staff has also confirmed, that despite the policy wording, they are distributing resources to individuals if they have a business, so in that case, this leaves out researchers or other individuals that not having a business have a need for multihoming.
>> 
>> Regards,
>> Jordi
>> 
>> @jordipalet
>> 
>> 
>> El 11 jul 2025, a las 18:57, Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> escribió:
>> 
>> Please abandon this policy.
>> 
>> Individuals should register a legally recognized sole proprietor or SME and get INR through the process that has stood a taste of time.
>> 
>> Let us resist the need to reduce Regional Internet Registries to this level of dealing with individuals.
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> ./noah
>> 
>> 
>> On Fri, 11 Jul 2025, 2:27 am Elizabeth Goodson, <elizabeth.goodson at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Hello PPML,
>>> 
>>> I'm shepherding this policy along with Doug Camin. We're seeking direction from the community as to how the AC should proceed with this policy. There was robust conversation on PPML in late May and early June, which tapered off quickly after the ARIN Staff and Legal analysis was published.
>>> 
>>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2025_4/#staff-and-legal-review-3-june-2025
>>> 
>>> Should we
>>> - abandon this policy,
>>> - accept this policy as written, or
>>> - continue to revise this policy?
>>> 
>>> We appreciate your feedback.
>>> 
>>> Thanks,
>>> Liz Goodson
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