[arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals

[Paul E McNary]

It is your comments in discussions like this that makes me just want to blow my brains out. So thank you.
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From: Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net>
To: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 16:01:47 -0500 (CDT)
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John you just said in this thread you worked with individual sole proprietor and not require that. John you are doing that inside the beltway shit again. Reread what you have said in this thread. Soon I will be dead and never to complain again.
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From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
To: Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net>
Cc: Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org>, arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
Sent: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 14:32:56 -0500 (CDT)
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals

Paul -

I recall indeed - and also noted at the time that one straightforward way to achieve this was a simple “doing business as” entry. 

If you don’t recall why that wasn’t possible, then that’s fine – and I’m glad you were able to work it out in the end.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

> On Apr 17, 2025, at 2:58 PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net> wrote:
> 
> All I know ARIN wouldn't accept my information until they had a verifiable entry in the Missouri Secretary of State database. At a WISPA meeting I directly addressed this with you, John and you said the business had to be verifiable in the Secretary of State database.
> All ARIN employees I interacted with at the time said the same.
> You asked if anyone had been harmed, I answered YES and explained.
> I am semi retired now. It is my Son's to deal with now.
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Curran <jcurran at arin.net>
> To: Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org>
> Cc: arin-ppml <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> Sent: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:34:25 -0500 (CDT)
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals
> 
> Ryan -
> 
> Indeed.  As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times in this discussion,  ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and we do have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number resources.  Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works, incorporation of a legal entity works – hence the reason for further discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to be solved.
> 
> Thanks,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16 PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org> wrote:
> 
> John,
> 
> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are under my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org tickets, and the legal team.
> 
> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in several states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing ARIN's agreements.
> 
> Kind regards,
> 
> Ryan Hamel
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> John,
> 
> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't need to register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship.
> 
> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State, effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it also requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the owner's name.
> 
> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of latitude should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a business and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures don't neatly align with ARIN procedures.
> 
> Thanks
> 
> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net<mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
> 
> 
> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02 PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net<mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>> wrote:
> 
> Originally
> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed by this.
> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register with the Secretary of State.
> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with Secretary of State database.
> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that wasn't good enough.
> 
> Paul -
> 
> To be certain there’s a clear understanding of the problem that resulted from the organization requirement – are you saying that you were unable to register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013?  There is a 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there is/was some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks understand the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so.
> 
> Thanks,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
> 
> 

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