[arin-ppml] distributing resources for individuals

Thu Apr 17 03:00:26 EDT 2025

Hi John,

A couple of questions on this:

1) There is a formal confirmation that this “simple and “inexpensive” procedure is the same in all the “areas” (states, whatever is te division in each country) for all the service region countries of ARIN?

2) Are we sure that in all those areas/countries the cost of keeping that “status” (the one that is valid for ARIN), and I mean not only money, but also recurrent paperwork (like for example if you need to present quarterly/yearly tax reports, even if you don’t had economical activity), is close to “zero"?

3) As 1 and 2 above may change (a country law may decide that a sole-proprietorship may be enforced to something else much more expensive or cease that status), do it make sense that the policy and/or membership documents ask for something that doesn’t depend on ARIN decisions, instead of relaying in making sure that you provide “real documents” and of course a valid justification for the resources that you request (which is already set in the policies for each type of resource)?

Regards,
Jordi

@jordipalet

> El 17 abr 2025, a las 2:34, John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> escribió:
> 
> Ryan - 
> 
> Indeed.  As both myself (and Bill Herrin) have pointed out a few times in this discussion,  ARIN already has flexibility in this regard and we do have sole proprietorships that enter into agreements and obtain number resources.  Sole proprietorship works, DBA name registration works, incorporation of a legal entity works – hence the reason for further discussion in order to gain a better understanding of the problem to be solved. 
> 
> Thanks,
> /John
> 
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
> 
> 
>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 8:16 PM, Ryan Hamel <ryan at rkhtech.org> wrote:
>> 
>> John,
>> 
>> I echo David's point coming from California. My ARIN resources are under my legal name, which was approved by the team that handles org tickets, and the legal team.
>> 
>> A sole proprietor without a DBA, can legally conduct business in several states and potentially provinces too, and that also includes signing ARIN's agreements.
>> 
>> Kind regards,
>> 
>> Ryan Hamel
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>> John, 
>> 
>> The issue is in Missouri, Minnesota, and probably many other states; if you are doing business under your own name and not a DBA, you don't need to register with the state to operate a sole proprietorship. 
>> 
>> So, if ARIN procedures require a lookup with the Secretary of State, effectively, that requires more than just operating as a business; it also requires operating that business under a fictitious name, not under the owner's name.
>> 
>> Section 9 of the NRPM gives a lot of latitude for demonstrating that an organization operates within the ARIN region. A similar amount of latitude should be available to establish that an individual is acting as a business and not an individual, even if the jurisdiction's laws and procedures don't neatly align with ARIN procedures. 
>> 
>> Thanks
>> 
>> On Wed, Apr 16, 2025 at 6:04 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net <mailto:jcurran at arin.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>>> On Apr 16, 2025, at 6:02 PM, Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net <mailto:pmcnary at cameron.net>> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Originally 
>>> 12 years ago when I tried to get ARIN resources, I was greatly harmed by this.
>>> In Missouri at that time a Sole Proprietor did not have to register with the Secretary of State.
>>> ARIN would not issue resources unless they could verify you with Secretary of State database.
>>> We had a State Sales Tax and Employment Tax ID for 20 years, but that wasn't good enough.
>> 
>> Paul - 
>> 
>> To be certain there’s a clear understanding of the problem that resulted from the organization requirement – are you saying that you were unable to register a DBA name with Missouri Secretary of State in 2013?  There is a 7$ fee associated with such registration (every 5 years) but from all appearances it is otherwise a rather nominal process, so if there is/was some other barrier it would be good to explain it so that folks understand the scope of the problem that you experienced when trying to do so. 
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> /John
>> 
>> John Curran
>> President and CEO
>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>> 
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