[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Fernando Frediani]

There is nothing absurd with the waiting list in my view. Simply there 
aren't enough IPv4 recover to fulfill the demand in the waiting list and 
that is quiet expected for a couple of years already
Maybe some people didn't get or accepted the full picture and still have 
high expectations to get something which hardly will happen and may end 
up causing some anger.

What needs to change in terms of waiting list in my view is to limit it 
only to organizations that have no IPv4 at all so it gives more chances 
for newcomers to start with with a bare minimal of a /22.

Fernando

On 07/10/2024 11:01, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML wrote:
> Hello,
>
> The current waiting list situation is absurd.
> We are requiring and performing a 2 year justification for addresses that won't be delivered for 3 years.
> It's the kind of bureaucratic stupidity that is a sign of poor governance.
>
> Something has to change to avoid the optics. This proposal would at least bring the justifications in line with the deliveries.
> There have been some suggested changes, including bumping the /24 to a /23 and grandfathering current list members.
> Maybe we could get some staff feedback on how these changes might affect the list size and duration?
>
> Wasn't there just a distribution in the ARIN-ISSUED report that would change the situation?
>
> Regards,
> Mike
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of William Herrin
> Sent: Monday, October 07, 2024 4:23 AM
> To: Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com>
> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation
>
> On Sun, Oct 6, 2024 at 5:28 PM Denis Motova <dmotova at brcrude.com> wrote:
>> Like Fernando, I'm not entirely convinced that reducing the /22 to a
>> /24 offers significant benefits beyond potentially shortening the waiting list.
>> In my view, a /24 (256 IPs) feels quite limiting. I’d be more
>> supportive of a /23 (512 IPs), as a /24 seems too small to accommodate
>> the growth\ needs of startups and new businesses.
> Hi Denis,
>
> Bear in mind that a startup or new business remains eligible to acquire addresses on the market even after receiving an allocation from the waiting list. I'm dubious of the proposition that an adequately funded startup can afford to wait for addresses to become available on the waiting list.
>
> The waiting list, in its current incarnation, seems to me like more of a tool for hobbyists and charities -- folks doing something on a shoestring budget that doesn't have to be done on a timeline. And of course folks gaming the system with manufactured justifications to get something for free. The latter group can afford to wait as long as it takes.
>
> Regards,
> Bill Herrin
>
>
> --
> William Herrin
> bill at herrin.us
> https://bill.herrin.us/
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