[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

Sun Oct 6 20:28:29 EDT 2024

Hi Everyone,

I hope you're all doing well! I wanted to share my thoughts on the current discussion.

Like Fernando, I'm not entirely convinced that reducing the /22 to a /24 offers significant benefits beyond potentially shortening the waiting list. In my view, a /24 (256 IPs) feels quite limiting. I’d be more supportive of a /23 (512 IPs), as a /24 seems too small to accommodate the growth needs of startups and new businesses. It’s essential that any proposal includes strong, clear guarantees that it will apply moving forward and won’t be retroactively to already existing members on the waiting list.

Thanks for considering my perspective!

Denis

On 2 Oct 2024, at 12:10 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:

I remain opposed to this proposal for different reasons. Reducing the allocation from /22 to /24 will not solve any tangible problem. Instead will create a new one as /24 is so small even for the smaller organizations that are waiting in order to use it properly to connect people and businesses. It is necessary to guarantee that whoever receives in such scenario has a bare minimal to do things and /22 is already something very small.
This allows organizations to exist, innovate and then at some point in time be able to transfer further blocks in order to keep doing business.

It may sound the proposal be aiming to reduce anxiety from having to wait too long in the waiting list, but the reality is that there aren't IP addresses left to to replenish the pool and there is no much that can be done about that. That is a fact for quiet a while.

What I would support in another proposal is to reduce the eligibility criteria to stand in the waiting list to simply have already any IPv4 allocation regardless the size. There is a big significant difference between one who has addresses already and newer one who have nothing. Whatever left can go to them and will benefit the Internet in the region by having more and different actors and business happening. Those who have something have options to continue and grow their existing business.

Fernando

On 01/10/2024 02:41, William Herrin wrote:

On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 10:29 AM ARIN <info at arin.net><mailto:info at arin.net> wrote:

Policy Statement:

4.1.8. ARIN Waitlist

ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4 and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist.

Strange formulation since ARIN issues transferred IP addresses to the recipient.

Organizations which ever held any IPv4 space other than special use space received under section 4.4 or 4.10 are not eligible to apply.

Bad grammar. Which ever held? Even if you fix it to "which have ever
held," it's still a clumsy sentence.

And why exclude 4.4 and 4.10? Are there an abundance of critical
infrastructure providers who don't have other IPv4 space, can't afford
to get it on the market, yet have the time to dilly dally on the
waitlist? Doesn't seem like such infrastructure is particularly
critical.

Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.

So if I create an LLC to hold the addresses I can sell the LLC to get
around the transfer restriction? I mean, I could do that anyway but
with this exception the recipient wouldn't even have to maintain the
LLC.

This policy will be applied to all future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.

Bad grammar. What does "to include" mean here?

This policy will apply to waitlist requests received following the
implementation of this policy. Waitlist requests received prior to
the implementation of this policy will not be affected.

This seems to conflict with the preceding text about it being applied
to all future distributions?

Regards,
Bill Herrin

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