[arin-ppml] Revised - ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Adair Thaxton]

Noting this:

"The author also noted a serendipity in the number of waiting list 
entries (703) and the amount of entries that could have been met with a 
/24 cap (703) in John Sweeting’s ARIN 52 presentation.  Current waitlist 
entrants should be given retroactive consideration, but their maximum 
allocation reduced to /24"

Have the organizations on the waiting list been specifically asked for 
their response to this proposal?

Adair



On 10/2/24 11:10, Fernando Frediani wrote:
> I remain opposed to this proposal for different reasons. Reducing the 
> allocation from /22 to /24 will not solve any tangible problem. Instead 
> will create a new one as /24 is so small even for the smaller 
> organizations that are waiting in order to use it properly to connect 
> people and businesses. It is necessary to guarantee that whoever 
> receives in such scenario has a bare minimal to do things and /22 is 
> already something very small.
> This allows organizations to exist, innovate and then at some point in 
> time be able to transfer further blocks in order to keep doing business.
> 
> It may sound the proposal be aiming to reduce anxiety from having to 
> wait too long in the waiting list, but the reality is that there aren't 
> IP addresses left to to replenish the pool and there is no much that can 
> be done about that. That is a fact for quiet a while.
> 
> What I would support in another proposal is to reduce the eligibility 
> criteria to stand in the waiting list to simply have already any IPv4 
> allocation regardless the size. There is a big significant difference 
> between one who has addresses already and newer one who have nothing. 
> Whatever left can go to them and will benefit the Internet in the region 
> by having more and different actors and business happening. Those who 
> have something have options to continue and grow their existing business.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> On 01/10/2024 02:41, William Herrin wrote:
>> On Mon, Sep 30, 2024 at 10:29 AM ARIN<info at arin.net>  wrote:
>>> Policy Statement:
>>>
>>> 4.1.8. ARIN Waitlist
>>>
>>> ARIN will only issue future IPv4 assignments/allocations (excluding 4.4 and 4.10 space) from the ARIN Waitlist.
>> Strange formulation since ARIN issues transferred IP addresses to the recipient.
>>
>>
>>> Organizations which ever held any IPv4 space other than special use space received under section 4.4 or 4.10 are not eligible to apply.
>> Bad grammar. Which ever held? Even if you fix it to "which have ever
>> held," it's still a clumsy sentence.
>>
>> And why exclude 4.4 and 4.10? Are there an abundance of critical
>> infrastructure providers who don't have other IPv4 space, can't afford
>> to get it on the market, yet have the time to dilly dally on the
>> waitlist? Doesn't seem like such infrastructure is particularly
>> critical.
>>
>>
>>> Address space distributed from the waitlist will not be eligible for transfer, with the exception of Section 8.2 transfers, for a period of 60 months.
>> So if I create an LLC to hold the addresses I can sell the LLC to get
>> around the transfer restriction? I mean, I could do that anyway but
>> with this exception the recipient wouldn't even have to maintain the
>> LLC.
>>
>>
>>> This policy will be applied to all future distributions from the waitlist to include those currently listed.
>> Bad grammar. What does "to include" mean here?
>>
>>
>>> This policy will apply to waitlist requests received following the
>>> implementation of this policy. Waitlist requests received prior to
>>> the implementation of this policy will not be affected.
>> This seems to conflict with the preceding text about it being applied
>> to all future distributions?
>>
>>
>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
>>
>>
> 
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