[arin-ppml] ARIN-2023-8 - Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation

[Tyler O'Meara]

Adding IPs to 4.10 at the moment is functionally just throwing them away. At
ARIN 52 John Sweeting said that 4.10 has a greater than 30 year runway, and I
haven't seen anything since that suggests that's changed.

I'm not taking a stance on any of these proposals, just wanted to add that
clarification.

Tyler

On Wed, 2024-08-14 at 16:12 -0400, Mike Burns via ARIN-PPML wrote:
> 
> Hi Bill,
> 
> I agree that the current situation is ludicrous. A 2 year needs test and a 3
> year wait. Looks insane to any rational observer.
> 
> As you allude to I think the mechanics would be difficult and I would rather
> any returned addresses go straight to 4.10. And in fact, in addition to
> authoring this proposal, I authored one to do just that which floundered a few
> years ago, but maybe needs some review In the light of the current waiting
> list situation.
>  
> I think something has to change. At least this proposal would serve to clear
> out the waiting list and return some sanity in that wait times will be shorter
> than justification horizons.
> 
> 
> Regards,
> Mike
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Sent from my T-Mobile 5G Device
> 
> 
> 
>  ---- On Wed, 14 Aug 2024 15:58:12 -0400  bill at herrin.us  wrote ----
> 
> > On Wed, Aug 14, 2024 at 12:46 AM Gerry E.. George <ggeorge at digisolv.com>
> > wrote:
> > > As  a co-shepherd on policy 2023-8 (Gerry George & Brian Jones) on
> > > Draft Policy ARIN-2023-8: Reduce 4.1.8 Maximum Allocation, I'm reaching
> > > out for additional feedback from the community on this policy following
> > > the
> > > robust discussions at and since ARIN-53.
> > 
> > Hi Gerry,
> > 
> > The wait list system is not really sane. If your need can afford to
> > wait three years to fulfill it with addresses, how does that not say
> > everything that needs to be said about its legitimacy?
> > 
> > I'd like to see a concrete proposal along the lines of releasing
> > waitlist addresses to the brokers for sale or directly auctioning them
> > off as they become available. Maybe the mechanics won't work out, but
> > I'd like to see it and consider whether it's a reasonable idea after
> > the details are ironed out. Since these are returned blocks,
> > auctioning them explicitly would also allow bidders to evaluate their
> > reputation history when making an offer rather than getting stuck with
> > whatever random block comes up.
> > 
> > In the interests of fairness to the folks who joined the wait list in
> > good faith, perhaps limit the first few auctions to folks already on
> > the waitlist before opening it up to the public at large.
> > 
> > Regards,
> > Bill Herrin
> > 
> > 
> > _______________________________________________
> > ARIN-PPML
> > You are receiving this message because you are subscribed to
> > the ARIN Public Policy Mailing List (ARIN-PPML at arin.net).
> > Unsubscribe or manage your mailing list subscription at:
> > https://lists.arin.net/mailman/listinfo/arin-ppml
> > Please contact info at arin.net if you experience any issues.