[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2022-12: Direct Assignment Language Update

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Mon Oct 2 12:58:00 EDT 2023


John,

At least in my case, this was previously well understood. I appreciate your clarification, but I stand by my suggestion that a new term should be applied. I think “direct registration” is probably the best choice of language. Issuance implies that ARIN had possession of a thing and provided that thing to the registrant. In reality, nobody possesses or owns integers, but ARIN registers particular integers to particular organizations with the intent that said registrations remain unique within the given registry (system) for a particular purpose. 

Owen


> On Oct 2, 2023, at 09:30, John Sweeting <jsweeting at arin.net> wrote:
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> Hello all,
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> ARIN staff would like to provide the following clarification on this change.
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> The changes being requested in the NRPM through this policy (2022-12) are simply to ensure the NRPM stays synched with the current operational practices of ARIN. Due to the fee harmonization completed in 2022 ARIN no longer does Direct Assignments, ARIN only does Direct Allocations. Direct Allocations have all the same properties that they have always had. The difference in services being that both ISPs and End Users can now make reassignments and reallocations. Hope that helps.
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> John S. 
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> On 10/2/23, 12:22 PM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML" <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> on behalf of arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
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>> On Oct 2, 2023, at 07:21, Pellak, Kaitlyn via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:
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>> Hi all,
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>>> The rationale used was that it was more straightforward to revise the
>>> definition across the NRPM rather than replace each relevant
>>> instance of “allocation” and “assignment” with another term
>>> (allocation appears 245 times, and assignment appears 101 times.)
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>> I'm sure this has already been addressed but could we not simply "find and replace" allocation and assignment with the new terms in the NRPM?
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>> If not, perhaps we should consider a way to make those and similar updates given the ever-changing nature of internet terminology.
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> Expressing that to the community gets a bit more complicated than the act of doing so. 
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> However, I feel that the effort is warranted for the reasons previously stated. 
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> Owen
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>> Best,
>> Kaitlyn
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>> Kaitlyn Pellak 
>> Amazon – Technical Business Developer II 
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>> On 10/1/23, 7:10 AM, "ARIN-PPML on behalf of William Herrin" <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net <mailto:arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net>> on behalf of bill at herrin.us <mailto:bill at herrin.us> <mailto:bill at herrin.us <mailto:bill at herrin.us>>> wrote:
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>>>> On Sat, Sep 30, 2023 at 6:39 PM Douglas Camin <doug at dougcamin.com <mailto:doug at dougcamin.com> <mailto:doug at dougcamin.com <mailto:doug at dougcamin.com>>> wrote:
>>> Reading the terms Allocation and Assignment, I see the primary
>>> distinction between them as one is “for you” and one is “for you to give to others.”
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>> Hi Douglas,
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>> To the extent that there was a "primary" distinction, it's that one
>> was for organizations acting like an ISP and one was for organizations
>> acting like end-users. The associated nuance was extensive: everything
>> from how you justified addresses to your public reporting
>> responsibilities to not only how much you paid but the very framework
>> for determining how much you paid. That's what made them "terms of
>> art." https://www.justia.com/dictionary/term-of-art/ <https://www.justia.com/dictionary/term-of-art/> <https://www.justia.com/dictionary/term-of-art/> <https://www.justia.com/dictionary/term-of-art/>>
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>> Someone who looks up those terms in connection with ARIN is going to
>> find all the myriad explanations for how they worked. And be very
>> confused since things will no longer work that way.
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>> The better plan is to pick a new term entirely. Leave assignment and
>> allocation in the definitions so that you can note that they're
>> obsolete and no longer used. Doesn't really matter what new words you
>> choose: they'll become the new term of art attached to the new
>> operating model.
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>>> The rationale used was that it was more straightforward to revise the
>>> definition across the NRPM rather than replace each relevant
>>> instance of “allocation” and “assignment” with another term
>>> (allocation appears 245 times, and assignment appears 101 times.)
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>> Understood but respectfully: I think that would be a mistake for the
>> reason described above.
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>> Regards,
>> Bill Herrin
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