[arin-ppml] RPKI for Reallocations

[Fernando Frediani]

I would imagine you would defend this Owen. But I didn't misunderstand.

ROAs should be signed by organizations who receive IP space from the 
RIR. They are the ones responsible for that IP space. If you let these 
organizations re-assign to other Autonomous Systems you start to void 
the RIR function. This has nothing to do with ISPs assigning IP 
resources to their customers in order they can connect to the Internet 
as it has always been. Of course some will defend ISP to assign 
resources to another ISP which is an ASN as it doesn't need to pass 
through the RIR policies directly.
If an organization who is an Autonomous System get their IP space 
directly from the RIR then it can freely and easily sign whatever ROAs 
they should.

Fernando

On 23/06/2023 15:38, Delong.com wrote:
> You fundamentally misunderstand the situation, then.
>
> ROAs must be delegated according to the way networks are delegated. 
> Lots of ISPs get addresses from upstream ISPs who get them from 
> upstream ISPs who get them from ARIN.
>
> In the case where IP addresses are delegated ARIN->ISP A->ISP B->ISP 
> C, for RPKI to function, it has to be possible for ISP B to get a ROA 
> from ISP A and for ISP C to
> Get a ROA from ISP B.
>
> ROAs have to be representative of the ORIGINATOR of the route in BGP 
> or they are useless.
>
> Owen
>
>
>> On Jun 23, 2023, at 11:24, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>>
>> I don't think this should be allowed to happen. ROAs are to be 
>> created by organizations who receive the allocation from the RIR as 
>> ultimatelly they remain responsible for that IP space. If they have 
>> allocated a block to a customer they should be the ones responsible 
>> for creating any ROAs they need for that IP space (in fact ideally 
>> they should create for the whole IP space anyway).
>>
>> Fernando
>>
>> On 23/06/2023 13:20, Richard Laager wrote:
>>> It is my understanding that the downstream Org cannot create RPKI 
>>> ROAs for Reallocated IP Networks. For example, 206.9.80.0/24 is 
>>> reallocated to me (OrgID WIKSTR-1), but I cannot make a ROA for it.
>>>
>>> This is obviously suboptimal for adopting RPKI.
>>>
>>> Is this something that we could fix with Policy development, or do I 
>>> need to bark up some other tree?
>>>
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