[arin-ppml] Tenfold fee increases?
Michael B. Williams
Michael.Williams at glexia.com
Fri Jun 2 03:28:50 EDT 2023
I don’t see a reason to shut it down as it keeps at least some level of
standard and provides revenue for ARIN.
But then again in completely against brokeraging IP addresses. So I could
go either way.
On Fri, Jun 2, 2023 at 17:26 Dominik Dobrowolski <
dominikdobrowolski.co at gmail.com> wrote:
> If we are at it,
> Why shouldn't we discuss openly whether to even keep facilitators program
> alive?
>
> Dominik Dobrowolski,
> dominet LLC
>
> On Thu, Jun 1, 2023, 10:32 PM Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com> wrote:
>
>> I was a bit stunned this morning to see our organization's ARIN fees
>> would be going up by a factor of 10. We live in inflationary times,
>> but that's an increase of, let's see, I guess 1,000%?
>>
>> Before the rest of you resource holders on the list have a coronary,
>> let me qualify that this fee increase is for just for registered
>> facilitators (brokers) and most of you won't be affected. This
>> time. But the more general issue of ARIN raising fees in an
>> extravagant manner with no solicitation for public discussion of the
>> impact affects all of us.
>>
>> When ARIN began the facilitators' program the annual fee was just
>> $100. A few years later the fee was raised tenfold to $1,000. Today
>> we learned that another tenfold increase would go into effect making
>> our annual fee $10,000. So it's actually a 100-fold increase in
>> about a decade.
>>
>> Our own organization won't be too affected by this. We can handle
>> it, and most of the larger IP brokers can as well. It may even help
>> us by driving away some competition. But that shouldn't be the
>> point. There are smaller organizations that are facilitators that
>> will be severely impacted. We work with some of these and while they
>> may not handle the volume of transactions we do, they do an excellent
>> job in moving IPv4 resources to organizations that need them and
>> educating the parties along the way.
>>
>> There are some other changes to the facilitator program, including
>> requiring liability insurance for ARIN, background checks, customer
>> references, etc. I assume this is to keep some of the riff-raff out
>> and may be helpful. I don't see how outrageous fee increases help anyone.
>>
>> Other sharp fee increases have been brought up and complained about
>> on this list, always after the fact. The recent resource holder fee
>> increases that saw end user organizations suddenly treated as ISPs
>> comes to mind. Recently, transfer fees spiked from $300 to $500 per
>> transfer and were suddenly appled to source organizations in all
>> transfers (it used to be just transfers from end user orgs). As if
>> that wasn't enough, ARIN started charging transfer recipients an
>> additional transfer fee. I can tell you from first-hand experience
>> this hurt small organizations looking to acquire IPv4 blocks.
>>
>> I recommend ARIN transparently solicit public input when pondering
>> fee increases of such magnitude. Hopefully before our fee goes up
>> another 1,000%.
>>
>> Regards,
>>
>> Tom Fantacone
>>
>>
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