[arin-ppml] Revised - Draft Policy ARIN-2022-2: Remove Barrier to BGP Uptake in ASN Policy

[John Curran]

It’s perfectly reasonable to discuss the need for specific fee structures to achieve
specific number resource policy objectives.

To the extent that folks want to have the fees for ASN’s reviewed and possibly
changed, I’d suggest that a suggestion be put in the ARIN consultation and
suggestion process - <https://www.arin.net/participate/community/acsp/>

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On 18 Sep 2022, at 9:13 PM, William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:

On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:59 AM Gary Buhrmaster
<gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com<mailto:gary.buhrmaster at gmail.com>> wrote:
On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 8:03 AM William Herrin <bill at herrin.us<mailto:bill at herrin.us>> wrote:
I conditionally support this proposal on the condition that there is
an accompanying change to the fee schedule such that the second and
subsequent AS numbers assigned to a single organization each incur an
additional annual fee.

I tend to agree here (although, as always, fees are not
an issue for policy discussions.....)

Hi Gary,

Well, yes and no. The mechanisms we expect ARIN to use to discourage
waste of number resources (and the conditions under which it is
appropriate to do so) are within scope for policy. To the extent that
money is a major motivator for discouraging waste, I think its
discussion in the context of policy is appropriate.

I agree that the more specific a discussion of money gets, the less
likely it is to be in scope for a policy discussion. But a high-level
"money should discourage this activity but not be a barrier to that
activity" discussion is reasonable and I think it would needlessly
hobble the policy development process to arbitrarily rule anything
that touches money to be business process.


On Sun, Sep 18, 2022 at 1:16 PM David Farmer <farmer at umn.edu<mailto:farmer at umn.edu>> wrote:
I’ll note there is still a $550 Transactional Fee for the
issuance of an ASN, I think that is a sufficiently large
fee to discourage excessive use of ASNs.

Hi David,

Fair point. I'll revise my comment to make it more high-level:

I conditionally support this proposal on the condition that
[it is matched with a] fee schedule such that the second and
subsequent AS numbers assigned to a single organization
each incur an additional [strike annual] fee.

Regards,
Bill Herrin


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