[arin-ppml] Transferring Waiting List Space - Feedback Requested

[David Farmer]

Conceptually, as an abstract idea, I have no problem with restricting the
waiting list to newcomers only. However, the implementation of such a
restriction could prove problematic; What is a true newcomer? How do we
prevent gaming of this restriction?

The current 60-month restriction on transfers is already functionally
indefinite, at least in my option.

Finally, the waiting list was never intended as a viable option to meet a
network's need for resources; its purpose in policy is to ensure ARIN has a
mechanism to distribute any IPv4 resources that are reclaimed or
otherwise become available to ARIN.

Thanks.

On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 5:09 PM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Then need to detail and analyze what sound unreasonable in changing 5
> years period to indefinite.
>
> Reducing the request size to anything smaller than an /22 is giving a such
> small and useless space that will probably make no difference to whoever
> receives it. A /22 is already a very small amount (almost symbolic) but at
> least gives the ability to a newer organizations to work with something,
> get into the market, innovate, reach some proper size and then invest in
> different technologies to make better usage of few IPv4 and deploy IPv6
> properly in order to keep existing in the market. Plus giving out /24-only
> to organizations in the waiting list would contribute even more to increase
> the size of the routing table with very little gain.
>
> A change in the waiting-list rules that would be certainly be welcome is
> restrict it only to newcomers that have no IPv4 space at all. Those who
> already have had already enough time to learn live with what they have and
> organize themselves to either do IPv4 transfers and deploy IPv6 in order to
> reduce its dependency whenever possible.
>
> Fernando
> On 14/11/2022 19:53, David Farmer via ARIN-PPML wrote:
>
> I reviewed the Policy Implementation and Experience Report presented at
> ARIN 50;
>
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/materials/1020_policyimplementation.pdf
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RruDSG32D0M&list=PL726kQ53RX6i-x05T2JLckh59gWtLs1TR&t=5569s
>
> https://www.arin.net/participate/meetings/ARIN50/day1_transcript/#policy-implementation-and-experience-report
>
> I don't support any changes to the transfer provisions of the waiting
> list. The current transfer provisions seem reasonable to me.
>
> However, if I were going to support any changes to the waiting list, I
> would support reducing the request size from /22 to /24.
>
> Thanks.
>
> On Mon, Nov 14, 2022 at 3:42 PM WOOD Alison * DAS <
> Alison.WOOD at das.oregon.gov> wrote:
>
>> Hello!
>>
>>
>>
>> The Policy Experience Report Working Group has been working on the Policy
>> Experience Report from ARIN 50.  I would appreciate your feedback on the
>> following issue regarding transferring waitlist space.
>>
>>
>>
>> The current wait list criteria is:
>>
>>
>>
>>    - Must have a /20 or less in total IPv4 holdings.
>>    - May request up to a /22.
>>    - Removed from list if IPv4 received via 8.3/8.4 transfer.
>>    - Received ip space is eligible for needs-based transfer after five
>>    years.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> The Policy Experience Working Group would like your feedback on a
>> potential policy that would restrict the transfer of IP space that has been
>> obtained from the waiting list.  In other words, any IP address space
>> received from the waiting list would be ineligible for transfer
>> indefinitely and encouraged to be returned to ARIN if not in use.  This
>> policy would be specific to transfers and not M & A’s.
>>
>>
>>
>> The working group appreciates your feedback.
>>
>>
>>
>> Thank you!
>>
>>
>>
>>
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