[arin-ppml] Revised and Retitled - Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Permit IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilization for Future Allocations

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Fri Mar 11 13:01:42 EST 2022

On 11/03/2022 14:56, Tom Fantacone wrote:
> Bill,
> We can quibble about semantics, but let's go with your verbiage:
> If I run a network and qualify for an /18 right now, can I go to ARIN 
> and lease one?   I must either /pay someone to release their addresses 
> to ARIN to lease to me/ or lease one from a (non-ARIN) 3rd party.
And that should always be the expected, release them to ARIN which 
should be the only actor taking care of it.
I really fail to understand how can one consider legit that a 3rd party 
could be doing this job otherwise.

If everybody sticks that what is expected, things work better, is much 
better to trust ARIN to do this plus in the end doing in such way 
doesn't least space for speculation, price rises and community have the 
assurance that the one who is intermediating it is someone really 
neutral and with no other interests to the business other than make sure 
the policies are being followed.


> And the amount I must pay (commonly referred to as the Purchase Price 
> in most IPv4 transfer contracts, whether I'm technically "buying" it 
> or not), is significantly more than either typical lease rates or 
> ARIN's annual fees.  My point is that 3rd party lessors do provide a 
> service that ARIN does not.
> Regards,
> Tom Fantacone
> ---- On Fri, 11 Mar 2022 12:42:52 -0500 *William Herrin 
> <bill at herrin.us>* wrote ----
>     On Fri, Mar 11, 2022 at 9:40 AM Tom Fantacone <tom at iptrading.com>
>     wrote:
>     > If I run a network and qualify for an /18 right now, can I got
>     to ARIN and lease one? I must either buy one on the transfer market
>     Tom,
>     I think you misunderstand the transfer market. You don't buy
>     addresses
>     on the transfer market. You lease addresses from ARIN and then pay
>     someone on the transfer market to release their addresses to ARIN for
>     lease to you.
>     Regards,
>     Bill Herrin
>     -- 
>     William Herrin
>     bill at herrin.us
>     https://bill.herrin.us/
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