[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2022-3: Remove Officer Attestation Requirement for 8.5.5

Tom Fantacone tom at iptrading.com
Sat Jun 25 10:12:09 EDT 2022


Owen,



This is actually the link for the sample Officer Attestation:



https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/OfficerAttestation_watermark.pdf



The link you provided was for the "Officer Acknowledgement".  The Officer Acknowledgement is a notarized form signed by the Seller of the resources verifying, among other things, that the signer is authorized on behalf of the source entity to make the resource transfer.  That helps to avoid a situation where an unauthorized employee with ARIN online access could make a resource transfer without permission.



The Officer Attestation is a simpler form signed by the Buyer attesting to the accuracy of the justification data and doesn't require notarization.  That's the one the draft policy seeks to eliminate.



Best Regards,



Tom Fantacone







---- On Sat, 25 Jun 2022 00:41:46 -0400 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote ---



Easy enough to check for yourself…

https://www.arin.net/about/corporate/agreements/office_acknowledgement.pdf



The attestation form is at the link above.



No mention of perjury, but most business contracts aren’t signed under penalty of perjury.



You don’t really need to sign under penalty of perjury to put yourself on the hook for civil and criminal fraud liability if you

signed the contract with intent to deceive in order to acquire something of value.



Owen



On Jun 24, 2022, at 19:40 , Sylvain Baya <mailto:abscoco at gmail.com> wrote:


Dear ARIN-PPML,

Hope this email finds you in good health!

Please find my comments below, inline...


Le vendredi 24 juin 2022, Ronald F. Guilmette <mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com> a écrit :
In message <mailto:CAGbMP+j5zR+-DFubVh6RQOomfpMeMBfes0NmnTm0_nUng2qwgg at mail.gmail.com>
 Matthew Wilder <mailto:matthew.wilder at telus.com> wrote:
 
 >Would-be fraudsters on the transfer market would
 >now face significant cost to execute a transfer, and presumably, an
 >organization operating in bad faith could easily provide officer
 >attestation.
 
 Are these attestations signed "under penality of perjury"?
 






John, could you, please, take also that question?



Thanks for asking, Ronald :-)




<quote>

"declaration under penalty of perjury 

A statement that has been signed by a declarant 

who will be found guilty of perjury if the facts 

declared in the statement are shown to be 

materially false." 

</quote>

__

https://www.law.cornell.edu/wex/declaration_under_penalty_of_perjury#:~:text=declaration%20under%20penalty%20of%20perjury,shown%20to%20be%20materially%20false.





It would certainly add more security to the process.



Thus, imho, the policy manual should be keeped as

 is or only improved to add more protection against

 potential *reservation* plans.



Shalom,

--sb.



 





If so, it may be worthwhile to keep requiring them.  Fraudsters may yet
 balk at adding yet another crime on top of whatever ones they are already
 committing.  (That is my thinking anyway.)
 
 
 Regards,
 rfg
[...]



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