[arin-ppml] [E] Re: AFRINIC vote buying

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Fri Jun 10 14:55:33 EDT 2022


Fernando -

Stephen is correct – i.e., those that wish to entertain significant discussions of matters related to AFRINIC governance have more appropriate mailing lists in that community available for such a purpose.

The ARIN-ppml mailing list is to provide a forum for
number policy development activities in the ARIN region.

Thanks!
/John

John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers


On Jun 10, 2022, at 2:27 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:



Hello Stephen

Although I am not much involved in this discussion, although I commented I have to say that I often see this type of questioning in the list and I personally don't see the list exclusively to discuss policies, but anything that may have to do with them and with this Policy Development Discussion ecosystem we are all involved.

People participating here take in consideration a lot of details to form their opinion and discuss about the proposed policies and anything that may have to do with an attack against a RIR, a tentative of manipulation of the process being the PDP or election to the Board or any RIR that may also happen in this one should be of the concern of everybody involved, so they can have more information to form their opinion regarding the effects of each proposal that is presented here and its possible effects.

Finally and not less important, although we have Regional RIRs the effects of trouble happening in other RIRs have the potential to affect how things work for all others and by consequence the whole of Internet, so another reason is good that people participating in the this list get this related information to take in account when discussing any proposed policies and also if that kind of trouble could also happen here.

Best regards
Fernando

On 10/06/2022 15:08, Middleton, Stephen R via ARIN-PPML wrote:
Greetings,

Not meaning to be a wet blanket but which ARIN policy is this discussion in relation to?  I seem to recall that the PPML List is to "provide a forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN policies."

Perhaps the community would be better served if the current conversation to a forum more focused on the topic being discussed?

Best Regards,


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On Fri, Jun 10, 2022 at 12:14 PM Omo Oaiya <kodion at gmail.com<mailto:kodion at gmail.com>> wrote:



On Fri, 10 Jun 2022 at 16:29, Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:


On Jun 10, 2022, at 05:22 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz<mailto:noah at neo.co.tz>> wrote:



On Wed, 8 Jun 2022, 00:19 Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML, <arin-ppml at arin.net<mailto:arin-ppml at arin.net>> wrote:

Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and
Larus, Ltd.

True story.

However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and
no desire to have same.

Internet archives never forget.

https://lists.afrinic.net/pipermail/rpd/2021/013810.html<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__lists.afrinic.net_pipermail_rpd_2021_013810.html&d=DwMFaQ&c=udBTRvFvXC5Dhqg7UHpJlPps3mZ3LRxpb6__0PomBTQ&r=PNlZCOTcrBXvix6v31kntg680rC2tshHDXM0RcJv5bE&m=9sw9nyzLNUg6DZYGzlnK8WkqhJdEJxryDRavaNpfwNMSxaa79ZFZWW8vRTN-vlYl&s=5PsHZ_THYKyYMRd4pt-OSXUfkvjCuV2Pd1MZ9CSLcuI&e=>

On that thread, your response was in full defence of NRS as you really went on to explaib what they are all about as though you had insider knowledge of the organization.

Cheers,
Noah

Nope… It was a statement against certain misinformation being promulgated by you at the time.

It was based on the publicly available record at the time and not any internal knowledge or affiliation with NRS.

I don’t agree with lots of things Larus is doing/has done, but I’m supporting them in their law suits because I believe the board and staff are just plain wrong in their effort to revoke their membership based on a plain text reading of the provisions cited by the board and staff in their various affidavits and correspondence.

Facts are facts. When I see misinformation and/or disinformation, I will tend to speak out against it, even when I don’t agree with or support the party being attacked.

These would have to be alternative facts from your track record on the AFRINIC lists :-)

Omo
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