[arin-ppml] AFRINIC vote buying

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Jun 7 17:18:58 EDT 2022



> On Jun 6, 2022, at 04:25 , Eliot Lear via ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> 
> Am I the only one on this list who finds these sorts of ad hominem attacks distasteful?  How about you guys go find a boxing ring or something?
> 
> No, I don’t care who started it.
> 
> Eliot
> 
>> On 3 Jun 2022, at 00:28, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In message <C916643D-39C6-4500-8785-867AEB2FFACC at delong.com>,
>> Owen DeLong <owen at delong.com> wrote:
>> 
>>>> On Jun 1, 2022, at 14:52 , Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> So, just to be clear about this Owen, are you asserting that, contrary to
>>>> the first-person testimony contained in the video, there are not now, and
>>>> there have not been, within, say, the preceeding calendar year, back from today,
>>>> any attempts to purchase "voting rights" from any member organization of
>>>> AFRINIC, and that no member of AFRINIC has been either offered or given any
>>>> kind of compensation, renumeration, inducement, or "investment" of any kind
>>>> which has been conditioned upon the receiving member either changing its
>>>> official vote(s) or giving over control of said vote(s) to any other party
>>>> or parties?
>>> 
>>> I am not. I have no idea one way or the other whether that has occurred
>>> or not.
>> 
>> Well, it is not exactly a secret that you are or have been employed by a
>> certain not-really-african shell company, inccorporated in the "offshore"
>> jurisdiction of the Seychelles Islands, and which has been vigorously
>> contesting, via any any and every means possible, AFRINIC's decision to
>> revoke its IPv4 allocations, for cause, including but not limited to
>> litigation.

Yes, there’s no secret that I am a consultant to Cloud Innovation and
Larus, Ltd. However, I have no involvement or affiliation with NRS and
no desire to have same. I find the video on the front of the NRS web
site repugnant and false.

>> It is also not hard to intuit that the vote buying scheme described in the
>> video likely traces back to that same company -- a company that would
>> seem to have reason to want to engineer a "hostile takeover" of the
>> AFRINIC Board of Directors, again via any and every means available.

Obviously, I don’t know everything Larus or Cloud Innovation do, but I am
not aware of any attempts by either organization to engage in such a scheme.
If I were aware of such conduct by either organization, I’d vigorously oppose
it.

>> Given that you do now work for this company, or that you have worked for
>> this company in the relatively recent past, I must ask if your claimed
>> total ignorance of this underhanded scheme is a result of your natural
>> lack of curiosity, or if your state of ongoing abject ignorance of these
>> matters may perhaps be the result of your deliberate desire not to know.

To the best of my knowledge, neither. I made the decision several months ago
not to get involved with any of the activities of NRS as I did not feel that I could
align with its position or its likely actions. Since then, I have not had any knowledge
of their activities because I have no relationship with them.

>> In either case, I would ask that you make appropriate inquiries with your
>> paymaster and get back to us in order to let the ARIN community know if
>> there is any shred of truth to the rather stunning claim that a coordinated
>> scheme to buy the votes of AFRINIC member organizations has in fact been
>> put into effect.

Yeah, the use of the term paymaster here is not a valid reflection of the relationship
I have with either CI or Larus. However, I believe the owner of both companies is subscribed
to this list and is perfectly capable of speaking for himself. Further, you’re free to
ask him directly if you wish. It’s not like you don’t know how to reach him.

>> No hurry.  We'll wait.

I don’t think it’s my job to do your research, so you may be waiting for a while
if you choose not to do your own research on the matter.

Owen

>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> rfg
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