[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Wed Jul 27 16:17:37 EDT 2022

On Wed, Jul 27, 2022 at 2:30 PM Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>

> In message <
> CAMDXq5N_x84p4_6BKZKPemSLq2eWJJaGeXwo+fe3bwoSJ7d2AQ at mail.gmail.com>,
> Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> Similarly, when GlobalCrossing was bought by Level3, there was no
> >> sudden requirement that every record within ARIN that used to say
> >> "GlobalCrossing" now say "Level3" (I mean Qwest) (no wait, I mean
> >> CenturyLink) (shoot, no, now I mean Lumen).
> >>
> >
> >And those companies don't die.  They get adopted. In my $dayjob we still
> >receive payments and do agreements with XO, MCI and Level3. They are
> indeed
> >wholly owned by another, but the corporate entities continue to exist.
> >Those records are likely to be valid in many cases. Untangling such vast
> >enterprises is more expensive than simply changing who owns the shares and
> >the branding. It is quite common from my view as a lord of telecom land.
> >
> >This is not a task for ARIN. Members will pay dearly for such a time
> waste.
> >No thank you.
> I agree.


[ clip the non issue ]

The other and entirely separate issue I have raised is whether or not ARIN
currently knows, or currently even cares to know whether or not any given
> ARIN member still exists, legally speaking.
> This, I believe, should not be in the least controversial.  What good is a
> signed RSA agreement if the member is dead?  And is it a Good Thing or a
> profoundly Bad Thing if unknown interlopers are usurping, without any
> legal authority, the ARIN-issued number resources of a deceased person or
> a deceased corporation?
> There are a lot of things that ARIN should clearly not waste its time on.
> Knowing whether its members are alive or dead is not one of them.

How big [real] is the problem? One body? Or five hundred?


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