[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Mon Jul 25 11:48:58 EDT 2022

Thank you very much for the clarification John.

It is good to know that there has been a policy in the past for that to 
happen and that BoT has understood that although ARIN could be successor 
of  SRI/GSI/NSI-InterNIC it would not make sense in the current or even 
past context at that point in time these resources to be retained by ARIN.

One point to highlight is that the communication mentions "blocks that 
have been voluntarily returned to ARIN" which could be understood as 
basically any legacy blocks had necessarily to be returned to ARIN and 
that IANA agrees on that or if a given legacy resource holder wishes to 
return it directly to IANA would it be forbidden and directed by IANA to 
do to ARIN ?


Em 25/07/2022 12:37, John Curran escreveu:
>> On 25 Jul 2022, at 11:02 AM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Em 25/07/2022 11:34, John Curran escreveu:
>>> <clip>
>>>> I have seen administratively and voluntarily dissolved corporations 
>>>> come
>>>> back to life, so ARIN must consider this.
>>> Exactly… It turns out that dissolved isn’t necessarily a permanent 
>>> state, and in addition
>>> “dissolved” doesn’t mean that the rights necessarily and 
>>> automatically revert to the ARIN
>>> community – there may be one or more parties that has potential 
>>> claim to the resources,
>>> either via bankruptcy or provisions of the corporate wind down.
>> Question here John: if the resources are legacy and they were 
>> assigned before ARIN existence, these resources should ideally be 
>> reverted back to IANA which in turn should apply the Post Exhaustion 
>> Global Policy from May 6th 2021 and re-distribute these blocks to all 
>> RIRs ?
> Incorrect - ARIN is the successor registry for these assignments made 
> and so they are returned to ARIN.
> To the extent determined by ARIN policy and ARIN’s Board of Trustees, 
> number resources that
> are revoked, returned, or reclaimed by ARIN may be returned to the 
> IANA and then would qualify
> as "Any IPv4 space returned to the IANA by any means” as stated the 
> referenced global policy.
> This has occurred in the past - 
> https://www.arin.net/vault/announcements/2012/20120611.html
> (see extract below)
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>>   ARIN Returns Some IPv4 Address Space to IANA
>> *Posted: Monday, 11 June 2012*
>> Given the recent ICANN Board adoption of Global Policy Proposal - 
>> IPv4–2011, the ARIN Board of Trustees at its 6 June meeting directed 
>> ARIN staff to return to the IANA the IPv4 address blocks that have 
>> been voluntarily returned to ARIN in recent years. The total amount 
>> of space being returned to the IANA amounts to roughly a /8 
>> equivalent and includes the large block of IPv4 addresses returned to 
>> ARIN by Interop in 2010.
>> Below is the final list of address space that has been returned to 
>> the IANA and this will be reflected in ARIN's database within the 
>> next few hours.
>>   *
>>   *
>>   *
>> ...
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