[arin-ppml] Thanks! - and a couple of reminders... (was: Re: CEO that takes the time to answer all questions)
fhfrediani at gmail.com
Sun Jul 24 18:43:04 EDT 2022
Sure John, I always seek to do.
However these type of things have to be questioned publicly.
I don't really agree that most things should be a topic for arin-discuss
really. Many will, but not all that is not necessarily linked to a
specific proposal. Just a few examples can be: how this own mail-list
works, how the AC is structured, ideas of possible policy proposals to
be presented here, etc
I hope whenever a possible change gets to be discussed, if that´s the
community feeling, it doesn't get blocked because a few people from ARIN
On 24/07/2022 17:36, John Curran wrote:
> Fernando -
> Discussion of “facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet
> Governance” topics is simply wonderful in concept,
> but it is not inevitable that such discussion is intermingled with
> consideration of specific policy ideas and proposals –
> for example, such general topics could be discussed on a more general
> purpose "arin-discuss” mailing list.
> In the meantime, the charter of the ARIN-PPML mailing list remains
> as-is, and please adhere to it in your postings
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
>> On 24 Jul 2022, at 3:26 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
>> This doesn't look nice, either the way it is written or the way it is
>> understood by ARIN.
>> Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of things, including
>> facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance area
>> that can impact that was people discuss and agree on policies here.
>> This is fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their
>> reasons for supporting or not a proposal.
>> I can understand ARIN possible concerns in order to avoid turning
>> this email list in a general discuss list that could end up putting
>> away truly interested people, but in the other hand it is necessary
>> to be flexible enough to not close abruptly any discussions that are
>> raised here and that is not necessarily attached to a given proposal
>> or draft and be able to separate the different type of discussions
>> which we know is not an easy thing
>> The text as it is looks fine for me, but if ARIN still chooses to not
>> interpret in a different and more flexible way I would be happy to
>> support whatever necessary changes to make it in such way.
>> Thanks for the clarification around this topic
>> On 19/07/2022 15:30, John Curran wrote:
>>>> On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Frediani
>>>> <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi John
>>>> Thanks for the response back to community.
>>>> But let take easier this thing about discussions on ARIN PPML
>>>> mailing list. I know some people may not like of find it strange
>>>> discussions that are not necessarily and exactly around a given
>>>> proposal but it is not necessary to be like that.
>>>> Basically anything that has to do with ARIN PPML being a proposal
>>>> or not it is fair to be discussed here, including how the CEO of
>>>> ARIN interacts with its community and clarify all necessary
>>>> information. That´s undoubtedly is of high importance and other
>>>> topics that may affect in some way the discussions here and how
>>>> community makes up their minds to support or not a proposal. …
>>> Fernando -
>>> That’s not quite correct, as the scope of the arin-ppml mailing list
>>> is quite clear, and postings must be more than simply tangentially
>>> related to ARIN policy.
>>> As provided per
>>> Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and
>>> discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and
>>> proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of
>>> ARIN’s Policy Development Process
>>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>, which details
>>> how proposed policies are handled.
>>> Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics,
>>> and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the
>>> PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the
>>> proposal number or draft policy number in the subject field.
>>> Please retain the policy number in the subject line when you
>>> make comments about specific proposals or draft policies
>>> <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>. Your post or
>>> reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for
>>> the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more
>>> easily and make your position clear.
>>> If you want a more open forum for discussion of overall issues
>>> related to ARIN (i.e. more than just topics that are “policy
>>> related ideas and issues”), I would suggest that you support that
>>> position in the open consultation I referenced previously.
>>> John Curran
>>> President and CEO
>>> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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