[arin-ppml] Thanks! - and a couple of reminders... (was: Re: CEO that takes the time to answer all questions)

John Curran jcurran at arin.net
Sun Jul 24 16:36:24 EDT 2022

Fernando -

Discussion of “facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance” topics is simply wonderful in concept,
but it is not inevitable that such discussion is intermingled with consideration of specific policy ideas and proposals –
for example, such general topics could be discussed on a more general purpose "arin-discuss” mailing list.

In the meantime, the charter of the ARIN-PPML mailing list remains as-is, and please adhere to it in your postings


John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

On 24 Jul 2022, at 3:26 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:


This doesn't look nice, either the way it is written or the way it is understood by ARIN.
Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of things, including facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance area that can impact that was people discuss and agree on policies here. This is fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their reasons for supporting or not a proposal.

I can understand ARIN possible concerns in order to avoid turning this email list in a general discuss list that could end up putting away truly interested people, but in the other hand it is necessary to be flexible enough to not close abruptly any discussions that are raised here and that is not necessarily attached to a given proposal or draft and be able to separate the different type of discussions which we know is not an easy thing

The text as it is looks fine for me, but if ARIN still chooses to not interpret in a different and more flexible way I would be happy to support whatever necessary changes to make it in such way.

Thanks for the clarification around this topic

On 19/07/2022 15:30, John Curran wrote:

On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com<mailto:fhfrediani at gmail.com>> wrote:

Hi John

Thanks for the response back to community.
But let take easier this thing about discussions on ARIN PPML mailing list. I know some people may not like of find it strange discussions that are not necessarily and exactly around a given proposal but it is not necessary to be like that.

Basically anything that has to do with ARIN PPML being a proposal or not it is fair to be discussed here, including how the CEO of ARIN interacts with its community and clarify all necessary information. That´s undoubtedly is of high importance and other topics that may affect in some way the discussions here and how community makes up their minds to support or not a proposal. …

Fernando -

That’s not quite correct, as the scope of the arin-ppml mailing list is quite clear, and postings must be more than simply tangentially related to ARIN policy.

As provided per <https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list> –

Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and discuss policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of ARIN’s Policy Development Process<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>, which details how proposed policies are handled.

Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics, and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the proposal number or draft policy number in the subject field. Please retain the policy number in the subject line when you make comments about specific proposals or draft policies<https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>. Your post or reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more easily and make your position clear.

If you want a more open forum for discussion of overall issues related to ARIN (i.e. more than just topics that are  “policy related ideas and issues”), I would suggest that you support that position in the open consultation I referenced previously.


John Curran
President and CEO
American Registry for Internet Numbers

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