[arin-ppml] Thanks! - and a couple of reminders... (was: Re: CEO that takes the time to answer all questions)

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Sun Jul 24 15:26:50 EDT 2022


This doesn't look nice, either the way it is written or the way it is 
understood by ARIN.
Policy-related ideas and issues can mean a lot of things, including 
facts that happen in other RIRs or general Internet Governance area that 
can impact that was people discuss and agree on policies here. This is 
fundamental to make up peoples mind when putting their reasons for 
supporting or not a proposal.

I can understand ARIN possible concerns in order to avoid turning this 
email list in a general discuss list that could end up putting away 
truly interested people, but in the other hand it is necessary to be 
flexible enough to not close abruptly any discussions that are raised 
here and that is not necessarily attached to a given proposal or draft 
and be able to separate the different type of discussions which we know 
is not an easy thing

The text as it is looks fine for me, but if ARIN still chooses to not 
interpret in a different and more flexible way I would be happy to 
support whatever necessary changes to make it in such way.

Thanks for the clarification around this topic

On 19/07/2022 15:30, John Curran wrote:
>> On 19 Jul 2022, at 2:07 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com> 
>> wrote:
>> Hi John
>> Thanks for the response back to community.
>> But let take easier this thing about discussions on ARIN PPML mailing 
>> list. I know some people may not like of find it strange discussions 
>> that are not necessarily and exactly around a given proposal but it 
>> is not necessary to be like that.
>> Basically anything that has to do with ARIN PPML being a proposal or 
>> not it is fair to be discussed here, including how the CEO of ARIN 
>> interacts with its community and clarify all necessary information. 
>> That´s undoubtedly is of high importance and other topics that may 
>> affect in some way the discussions here and how community makes up 
>> their minds to support or not a proposal. …
> Fernando -
> That’s not quite correct, as the scope of the arin-ppml mailing list 
> is quite clear, and postings must be more than simply tangentially 
> related to ARIN policy.
> As provided per 
> <https://www.arin.net/participate/community/mailing_lists/#public-policy-mailing-list> 
>     Open to the general public. Provides a forum to raise and discuss
>     policy-related ideas and issues surrounding existing and proposed
>     ARIN policies. The PPML list is an intrinsic part of ARIN’s Policy
>     Development Process
>     <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/pdp/>, which details how
>     proposed policies are handled.
>     Discussion on PPML can cover a variety of policy related topics,
>     and ARIN encourages free discussion. ARIN announcements to the
>     PPML about policy proposals or draft policies include the proposal
>     number or draft policy number in the subject field. Please retain
>     the policy number in the subject line when you make comments about
>     specific proposals or draft policies
>     <https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/>. Your post or
>     reply should open with a statement of support or nonsupport for
>     the topic to allow others to follow discussions of interest more
>     easily and make your position clear.
> If you want a more open forum for discussion of overall issues related 
> to ARIN (i.e. more than just topics that are  “policy related ideas 
> and issues”), I would suggest that you support that position in the 
> open consultation I referenced previously.
> Thanks!
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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