[arin-ppml] Reclamation of Number Resources

Paul E McNary pmcnary at cameron.net
Mon Jul 18 09:56:54 EDT 2022

John you just did discuss the resource holder publicly in question. You stated you reviewed the case in question. Go back and look at your own words. 

You shared that they had been properly vetted with policy in place at the time, did you not? 
That is a public statement, is it not? 
Your Inside the DC Beltway back and forth language is dis-heartening. 
I think ARIN needs to move to a politically more neutral location, perhaps Kansas City and get outside of the Beltway and it's use of the English language which id evidently different than the Midwest. 
The Federal Government did that with a major division in the Department of Agriculture to save money. 
So I think it would be best if ARIN relocated to better utilize member resources(money) it is given in trust. 
John you are a "master" waffler. 
I will not use a system with "fraud" in it's label to report non-fraud. 
The name of the system, I think, needs to change to use as you recommend. 

From: "John Curran" <jcurran at arin.net> 
To: "Ronald F. Guilmette" <rfg at tristatelogic.com> 
Cc: "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml at arin.net> 
Sent: Monday, July 18, 2022 8:44:01 AM 
Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Reclamation of Number Resources 

On 18 Jul 2022, at 7:33 AM, Ronald F. Guilmette < [ mailto:rfg at tristatelogic.com | rfg at tristatelogic.com ] > wrote: 
So when you say (paraphrasing) "It is unclear if ARIN could ever provide a 
public justification of the properness of the issuance..." of either a 
membership or a number resource... well... you've just proven that it *is* 
possible, at least in this one rather specific instance, yes? 

Maybe it could be possible in other instances also (?) 

It might be possible in other instances where the claim of inappropriate application 
of policy by ARIN staff is equally specious and can shown such entirely through 
public references. 


As I noted earlier, we rather frequently receive reports that allege improper 
issuance only to find out that that they stem from insufficient understanding 
of the applicable Internet number resource policy on the part of the submitter. 


Yes. And in all of those cases it should never be necessary for ARIN to give 
out anybody's confidential information, right? Because you can just do 
exactly what you have done in this case, i.e. helpfully explain to the party 
that raised the issue/question why they simply have, as you put it, an 
"insufficient understanding of the applicable Internet number resource policy". 
And wouldn't that be the most helpful, friendly, and polite thing to do in 
all such cases? 


We do sometimes can supply similar explanations to the submitter of an Internet 
number resource fraud report, but that’s rather uncommon since it is quite rare to 
receive claims that are blatantly faulty in the face of entirely public information. 

In any case, the disposition of each report is provided in the quarterly findings reports - 
[ https://www.arin.net/reference/tools/fraud_report/results/ | https://www.arin.net/reference/tools/fraud_report/results/ ] 


I suppose that you are correct, John, that in this case the error was all mine 
in having failed to understand and appreciate that even as recently as 2016 the 
ARIN membership did not take seriously the possibility of interlopers from 
outside the region coming into the region to grab whatever was left of ARIN's 
already dwindling resources. And thus, for my mistake I will say "Mea cupla!", 
fall on my sword, and do whatever other groveling may be appropriate in this 
But I am hoping that you will be so kind as 
to point me to the place where I may myself review the NRPM as it existed 
back in 2012. 


When I highlighted the the adoption of NRPM section 9 was in 2016, I did so via a link to 
the NRPM change log (which includes all of the versions of the Number Resource Policy 
Manual since inception) - 
[ https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/changelog/#nrpm-change-log | https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/nrpm/changelog/#nrpm-change-log ] 


John Curran 
President and CEO 
American Registry for Internet Numbers 

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