[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies?
hannigan at gmail.com
Wed Aug 10 18:50:39 EDT 2022
As a smaller member of ARIN and someone managing multiple entities I can
confirm its easy to miss a regulatory filing. Whether it’s for a State
entity update or a CLEC license or any other type of certificate. It’s
It’s also fixable by coming back into compliance with the required filing,
payment or action.
As far as “deceased” entities go> There’s no such thing. Perhaps dissolved.
But I can find no legal term or status “deceased”.
Serious people may want to read:
Apologies for creating another branch of “ARIN should….”.
Warm regards, and HTH.
On Wed, Aug 10, 2022 at 4:52 PM John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> > On 9 Aug 2022, at 5:09 PM, Ronald F. Guilmette <rfg at tristatelogic.com>
> > In message <69ED05B4-AFC0-48EA-B466-417B2DAB4352 at arin.net>,
> > John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> >> From where I am sitting, and based on my substantial knowledge of
> ARIN's past actions,
> >> your answer sounds an awful lot like "No, we're not going to do
> that. We have better
> >> things to do."
> >> Actually, my meaning is absolutely clear based on plain language usage -
> >> We _will_ endeavor to look into such situations and correct where
> > Great! When?
> > In October of 2020, a spokesperson for ARIN was quoted by journalist
> Brian Krebs as
> > saying that the matter of the long-ago dissolution of Centauri
> > (CENTA-3) would be investigated:
> > It is now August, 2022, and the evidence of ARIN's commitment to
> investigating such cases
> > (or rather, the utter lack thereof) is now crystal clear and evident for
> all to see. A
> > full 21 months later and the ARIN staff has done absolutely nothing to
> either investigate
> > or action this case in any way.
> > This isn't ambiguous. We have the reciepts. ARIN was informed. ARIN
> said it would
> > investigate. ARIN did nothing. ARIN lied.
> > And yet here you are, repeating the lie yet again, and still falsely
> claiming that ARIN
> > "_will_ endeavor to look into such situations and correct where
> > The problem is that ARIN won't. The evidence is clear. ARIN just won't.
> ARIN did investigate - see below.
> > (I was wrong in my prior email to suggest that ARIN would give a low
> priority to the task
> > of reclaiming number resources from dead companies. In fact, the
> evidence is clear that
> > ARIN has given and will give this effort ZERO priority... or maybe even
> a negative
> > priority.)
> >> And finally, could you please explain, John, how your reluctance to
> reclaim those
> >> valuable IPv4 assets from dissolved and now non-existant corporate
> entities comports
> >> with ARIN's basic mission to be good shepherds of ARIN's finite and
> limited resources?
> >> Because I'm not seeing it.
> >> There's no reluctance on ARIN's part to researching any reports
> submitted and taking
> >> appropriate action - including "reclaim(ing) those valuable IPv4
> assets from dissolved
> >> and now non-existant corporate entities"
> > You are prevaricating John, and the facts regarding Centauri
> Communications demonstrate
> > otherwise. ARIN was informed about this case over 21 months ago, and an
> ARIN spokesperson
> > at that time confirmed to Brian Krebs that this case would be
> investigated. However as
> > anybody who knows how to use the ARIN WHOIS server can plainly see,
> absolutely nothing
> > has changed with respect to this long-dead entity and/or the several
> IPv4 blocks that
> > were and are registered to it (and that are now being squatted on by
> _somebody_) in all
> > of the past 21 months.
> > I remind you also that official California State records indicate that
> this company has
> > been dead and dissolved for TEN YEARS.
> > Would you care to explain John?
> Please note that the company in question is _suspended_ not dissolved. As
> noted, there is a significant difference – ARIN does not act against
> organizations solely
> on the basis of their corporate status being suspended, as it can easily
> be the result of
> tax filing delay, etc.
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers
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