[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Permit IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilizatio

Fernando Frediani fhfrediani at gmail.com
Mon Aug 8 17:12:11 EDT 2022

On 08/08/2022 17:48, John Santos wrote:
> I found the policy and original problem statement confusing because 
> the verb "lease" is ambiguous.  It can refer to leasing something FROM 
> someone else or to leasing something TO someone else.
> I read the problem statement as describing a situation where someone 
> has some amount of IP space allocated to them but has an operational 
> need for more space.  They are leasing additional space from a third 
> party as a temporary measure, but would like to increase their 
> allocation to cover their actual needs, but ARIN wasn't letting them 
> use that leased space as evidence of need. (Maybe this isn't actually 
> an issue and any organization in such a situation would easily meet 
> the needs requirements?)  But if this is the situation the policy is 
> attempting to address and it is a real problem, I would support the 
> proposal.
> However, it appears this policy is addressing the other situation, an 
> organization already has more space than it needs and is leasing out 
> their extra space to third parties.  (The key word here is 
> "leased-out".)  I don't see how allowing them to obtain additional 
> space in any way qualifies as "needs based".  They already have more 
> than they need, or they wouldn't be leasing it out.

+1 for the same reasons stated. Doesn't make sense to allow this. Opposed.


> Opposed.
> On 8/8/2022 3:11 PM, Andrew Dul wrote:
>> ARIN Draft Policy 2021-6 was retitled earlier this year as “Permit 
>> IPv4 Leased Addresses for Purposes of Determining Utilization for 
>> Future Allocations” and the text was also updated based upon feedback 
>> from the community at the Fall 2021 meeting.
>> https://www.arin.net/participate/policy/drafts/2021_6/
>> The draft did not receive sufficient support in the shepherds opinion 
>> to move this policy toward a recommended draft policy. Since this 
>> time the shepherds have been discussing with various members of the 
>> Internet Community and the ARIN AC on a possible path forward for 
>> this draft policy.
>> One of the ideas was to take a look at the problem statement and 
>> perhaps update and clarify the problem statement in hopes that this 
>> process would provide additional ideas to move the process forward.
>> The current draft policy problem statement is as follows:
>> Problem Statement: Current ARIN policy prevents the use of leased-out 
>> addresses as evidence of utilization.
>> Some contributors have suggested that there are perhaps two or more 
>> issues that are attempting to be solved here.
>>      Organizations would like the ability to lease some of their 
>> address space and not limit the receipt of future IPv4 transfers due 
>> the fact that ARIN’s evaluation of utilization considers leased space 
>> today to be unused.
>>      Organizations who wish to obtain address space are not able to 
>> pledge the address space as collateral in a financial transaction.  
>> The RSA and ARIN policy today limit the ability of IPv4 address 
>> resources to be transferred to another party (financier) without that 
>> party showing need for use on an operational network.
>> We invite your feedback on these thoughts and ideas to help us rework 
>> the problem statement and future policy language solving these issues.
>> In particular, do you believe the problem statement needs to be 
>> rewritten to clarify the issue the Internet Community is trying to 
>> solve here?
>> If so, what problem or problems do you believe that the Internet 
>> Community needs to solve and what problem statement(s) make sense to 
>> restart the conversation around this topic?
>> Thanks in advance for your feedback,
>> Andrew
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