[arin-ppml] Deceased Companies

Aaron Dudek adudek16 at gmail.com
Mon Aug 8 12:10:12 EDT 2022

What I do with my large address block as a corporation is not really any of
your concern.
If I am not announcing them now but plan to some date in the futre.  It
doesn't matter.
If there was a remote possibility that the corporation may connect to the
Internet, then it could justify requesting unique addresses/Non-RFC1918.
As long as they fulfilled the requirements when they requested them either
from ARIN or Network Solutions
then there is nothing ARIN can do in regards to the legacy space.

As an example, Walmart has 2.3 Million employees (01/2022). If each
employee has a desk phone, computer, and tablet,  that is 6.9 Million just
for the employees.
I'm taking some liberties here since Walmart does more than shops now, but
those numbers do not include servers, routing/switching, Drones, light
switches, Hvac, etc.

I do not generally think of Walmart as falling into either the
Telecommunications or hosting sectors.
If I am misrepresenting Walmart, apologies.


On Mon, Aug 8, 2022 at 10:07 AM Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>

> Yes agree it is not possible, but in real practice world it is not
> reasonable someone with such a large chunk IPv4 address at this stage
> keep using them for internal proposes, although I hardly believe that is
> the case. The reasons may be other which I don't want to speculate here
> as I have don't evidence.
> Also it is correct ARIN community never developed a policy in that way,
> but when that was discussed in the past maybe the scenario was
> significantly different and now a days there are growing issue due to
> IPv4 exhaustion to everybody and the feeling I have is that there are
> still large holders with idle resources for years keeping them for
> nothing. In my view that is not a reasonable thing for the entire
> Internet community. What good does it to do Internet for now or even in
> long term ?
> Whatever the reason is they should not remain idle and at this stage and
> keep accepting the 'acquired rights' to leave things as they are does
> not good to the Internet community.
> I recognize it is not easy discussion to have here or even a policy to
> reach consensus, but as mentioned in the email thread the community
> still holds that right.
> Regarding justifications I still find it hard for a entire organization
> or even a worldwide company that is not from the telecommunications or
> hosting sector to be able to justify the need for over 16 milling
> individual IPv4 addresses, even if they assigned an individual address
> to each Desktop of they employees.
> Fernando
> Em 08/08/2022 08:50, John Curran escreveu:
> >
> >> On 7 Aug 2022, at 11:11 PM, Fernando Frediani <fhfrediani at gmail.com>
> >> wrote:
> >>
> >> It is positive that many of these legacy holder returned some of
> >> their unneeded IPv4 resources in the past. However I personally
> >> believe it is something negative that there is still a fair amount of
> >> these addresses unused and not even announced to the DFZ as if they
> >> were waiting for some big Internet event to happen.
> >>
> > It is not possible to infer that resources are unused simply from the
> > fact that they are “not announced to DFZ”...
> >>
> >> I really don't mind Legacy Holders to keep addresses that were
> >> assigned to them ages ago as long they have a justification for using
> >> them.
> >>
> > The ARIN community has never developed or adopted any policy to the
> > effect that legacy resources
> > holders must justify their resources in order to keep them, so this
> > should not be a matter of concern.
> >>
> >> In the other hand I am unable to believe any organization in the
> >> entire world that is not a Telecommunications or a Hosting Company is
> >> able to technically justify more and a single /8.
> >>
> > I will note that very large organizations have networking needs that
> > rival or even exceed that of many
> > telecommunications firms.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > /John
> >
> > John Curran
> > President and CEO
> > American Registry for Internet Numbers
> >
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