[arin-ppml] On the history of early number registrations, ARIN, and ARIN's role in the administration of the Internet number registry

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Thu Apr 14 15:25:39 EDT 2022

Is there any numbers of exactly:
How much space is legacy without an RSA/LRSA and
How much space of that number has had no contact/invalid contact?

Albert Erdmann
Network Administrator
Paradise On Line Inc.

On Thu, 14 Apr 2022, John Curran wrote:

>       On 14 Apr 2022, at 12:43 PM, Fernando Frediani
>       <fhfrediani at gmail.com> wrote:
> Thanks for the history and better clarification. However it is not
> still clear to me if ARIN can, at some point and under which
> conditions recover these legacy blocks which look abandoned and have
> zero signal of being used or have some organization looking after it,
> and send to be re-assigned to the waiting list.
> Fernando - 
> It is far better to discuss what is reasonable and appropriate to do than
> “what could ARIN do”… 
>       I agree with some of the messages that is not reasonable to
>       think that after all this time some organizations may be unaware
>       of what is happening that justifies to keep having special
>       treatment. 25 years is quiet a while ! Legacy Resources has
>       always been an issue in different aspects and there should have
>       been more stuff done to avoid certain controversies where
>       possible overtime. I personally don't have a problem with them
>       keeping the resources as long they have justification of need
>       and not just based on "acquired rights".
> Yes, one can easily argue that 25 years is “a long time”, but that actually
> goes both ways…   An organization obtains rights to an IP address block, and
> then goes about using it internally.  At the time of obtaining it, there is
> not any clear set of obligations to: a) route it on the Internet, b)
> maintain accurate contact information, c) use a certain percentage of space
> internally, d) etc.    There is, however, clear documents that say that even
> organizations using IP address space internally should get an IP address
> block that’s globally unique (so as to reduce the risk of potential
> conflicts with other organizations in the future due to private
> interconnection or merger/acquisition or connection to the Internet.)
> The fact that the 25 years has passed and they are unaware of what is
> happening in the this community isn’t a sign of anything amiss - it’s simply
> means that no expectation was set in that regard (and it’s not quite not to
> pass judgement based on today’s notations and expectations…)  
>       If I understand it correctly it is possible to advance further
>       in this specific matter without a need for the community to
>       produce and agree in a new policy, so what prevents this from
>       happening ?
> Community consensus on an appropriate policy that can be applied on a fair
> and impartial basis. 
>       Are there any major legal risks or is it just extra patience
>       with those who don't seem to want to cooperate in a well
>       established system for the past decades ?
> It’s not legal risk as much as whether the community can develop a policy
> that deals fairly with those who haven’t been involved in the registry after
> all these years and who may be utilizing their resources but otherwise
> unreachable… that’s a non-trivial task indeed. 
> Thanks,
> /John
> John Curran
> President and CEO
> American Registry for Internet Numbers

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