[arin-ppml] Have we REALLY got to this sad state of disrepair?

[Adam Thompson]

You'd think so!  But there's some complication because it's a legacy allocation, and thus not (yet) legally under ARIN's control/jurisdiction, or something along those lines.  I don't remember the exact details, sorry.  I'm sure if I explained it incorrectly-enough someone here will correct me in the near future ;-).
-Adam

Adam Thompson
Consultant, Infrastructure Services
MERLIN
100 - 135 Innovation Drive
Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
(204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
athompson at merlin.mb.ca
www.merlin.mb.ca

> -----Original Message-----
> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of Fernando
> Frediani
> Sent: Tuesday, April 12, 2022 4:38 PM
> To: arin-ppml at arin.net
> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Have we REALLY got to this sad state of disrepair?
> 
> Is it necessary for a third party to have to prove that categorically ?
> 
> My understanding is that it should be enough to send fair amount of
> evidences to the RIR and it has the duty to get in touch with that
> organization to gather information and if necessary ask them to justify
> if the justifications given in the past remain valid (if there is any
> response), and if not then simply recover the block, isn't it ? That
> should be that natural path for these things to happen.
> If a block is abandoned for a long time, there is no response for the
> said resources holder then recover it and assign to someone else that
> really justify for that now a days.
> 
> Fernando
> 
> On 12/04/2022 18:32, Adam Thompson wrote:
> > I would like a mechanism to do this, or something closely related -
> nominate blocks we know are orphans.  For example, I obtained a legacy
> /24 for my employer in the early '90s.  That company is no longer in
> business.  I can guarantee the block isn't (or shouldn't be) in use on the
> public internet.  I know the owner never sold it, because I was working with
> him on that.  But I have no way to *prove* its abandonment.  So there it
> sits, forever inaccessible.  I mean, I could squat on it :-) but that's called
> "being part of the problem".
> > The amount of effort it was going to require on my part and the company
> owner's just to get it released back into the free pool, never mind sell it, was
> prohibitive.  (I've had this discussion with Cathy(?) @ Member Services
> before, getting things notarized in Manitoba is a VERY significant burden, in
> time, in travel, and in cost, compared to other jurisdictions.)
> > There really ought to be a better solution to that - everyone on this list is
> probably aware of some zombie/orphan allocations they've been involved
> with.
> > Within ARIN's current stance/perspective on legal issues (which I've
> criticized before, here), though, I don't see any easy fix.
> > -Adam
> >
> > Adam Thompson
> > Consultant, Infrastructure Services
> > MERLIN
> > 100 - 135 Innovation Drive
> > Winnipeg, MB, R3T 6A8
> > (204) 977-6824 or 1-800-430-6404 (MB only)
> > athompson at merlin.mb.ca
> > www.merlin.mb.ca
> >
> >> -----Original Message-----
> >> From: ARIN-PPML <arin-ppml-bounces at arin.net> On Behalf Of William
> >> Herrin
> >> Sent: Monday, April 11, 2022 8:55 PM
> >> To: Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net>
> >> Cc: arin-ppml at arin.net
> >> Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Have we REALLY got to this sad state of
> disrepair?
> >>
> >> On Mon, Apr 11, 2022 at 5:00 PM Ted Mittelstaedt <tedm at ipinc.net>
> >> wrote:
> >>> ARIN has been pussyfooting around long enough with these zombie
> >>> resources, by now CKN23-ARIN should NEVER appear tied to a number
> >>> resource.  Please, get on the stick and get these resources freed so
> >>> they can be used.
> >> Hi Ted,
> >>
> >> I look forward to your policy proposal in which an IP broker or other
> >> interested party can be granted care of a zombie legacy block, perform
> >> the legal diligence needed to justify releasing its registration,
> >> arrange the proper indemnity for ARIN should they have it wrong, and
> >> subsequently arrange its transfer to a new registrant.
> >>
> >> There are, of course, no non-legacy zombie blocks. The non-legacy
> >> blocks unavailable for assignment are in cool-down which is a
> >> different thing entirely.
> >>
> >> Regards,
> >> Bill Herrin
> >>
> >> --
> >> William Herrin
> >> bill at herrin.us
> >> https://bill.herrin.us/
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