[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Thu Sep 23 21:06:45 EDT 2021

Sorry, not for the list, can I retract that?
My apologies.

---- On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 21:05:45 -0400 Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote ----

Hi Owen,

Actually I don't approach address owners in any way.

I rely on incoming business.

I was always afraid of being accused of mining Whois for commercial reasons.

Imagine my naivete!



---- On Thu, 23 Sep 2021 20:54:08 -0400 Owen DeLong <mailto:owen at delong.com> wrote ----

> On Sep 23, 2021, at 16:25 , William Herrin <mailto:bill at herrin.us> wrote: 
> On Thu, Sep 23, 2021 at 4:15 PM Mike Burns <mailto:mike at iptrading.com> wrote: 
>> I add value by transferring cash to somebody else in the hope I can lease the purchased IPv4 out for a profit before China and the DoD dump addresses on the market. 
> Hi Mike, 
> ARIN leases addresses to you. You turn around and lease them to 
> someone else at a higher price. You add nothing in the process, no 
> network services or anything like that. The lessee can't rent them 
> directly from ARIN, not because of cost or risk or whatever but ARIN 
> doesn't have any left to rent. It's about as straightforward an 
> example of rent seeking as you can get. 
That’s not likely the real situation, however… 
Likely, Mike does research and fines underutilized addresses and approaches 
the current registrant and asks if they’d be interested in receiving MRC in 
exchange for the ability to use those addresses. Mike then takes a risk and 
begins paying said registrant monthly/quarterly/yearly/whatever for the 
use of those addresses at some wholesale leasing price. Then he turns 
around and tries to find an entity with need that (for whatever reason, 
capital intensity, temporary need, etc.) wants to lease rather than buy 
a block of addresses and provides them. Yes, for all the obvious reasons, 
the price he charges to lease to his customer is higher than the price 
he pays to his supplier, but he’s basically a retailer adding value in the 
form of acquiring the wholesale goods and matching them to the needs 
of the retail customer. 
ARIN is not finding the sources of addresses who are willing to lease, 
but not sell… ARIN Is not even finding the sources of addresses who 
are willing to sell. Brokers are fulfilling that role for sales and are the 
most likely ones to be fulfilling that role for leasing as well. 
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