[arin-ppml] Proposal to ban Leasing of IP Addresses in the ARIN region

Mike Burns mike at iptrading.com
Wed Sep 22 14:32:22 EDT 2021

Hi Bill,

You seem to acknowledge there are lessees out there who have a need for addresses.
However, you object to a "high-price mini-ARIN".
Every LIR is a mini-ARIN by nature, isn't it?
So what you are really objecting to is the high-price, and I believe the nub of it is the rent money.

The market abhors a vacuum. So this will happen if there is a need.
Who is there to address that need but large networks and lucky incumbent holders?
So the rent money will go to them.

In your final statement, you want policy to move against leasing instead of towards it, but you're also arguing that it's impossible to prevent leasing in policy in your first paragraph.


Hi Chris,

As I noted in a recent thread, there's no language you can write which will prevent that from happening. The service provider can just bump it one step further back. "Oh, we can't provide a VPN? Okay, we don't.
We do BGP with the customer's virtual server and what they do with it is not for us to say. Oh, we can't provide the virtual server or have to police the customer's use?Tell that to Amazon before you hassle us.
Good luck."

However, just because we can't prevent something doesn't mean we have to legitimize it and make it easy for the folks who want to be high-price mini-ARINs. And if the status quo has become unstable due to the price of IP addresses, I'd rather see the policy moved away from leasing addresses for use with BGP rather than moved toward it.

Bill Herrin

William Herrin
bill at herrin.us
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