[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

Cheken Chetty rameez.chetty at gmail.com
Wed Sep 22 07:17:01 EDT 2021


I believe the implementation of this policy would be beneficial and support
the notion.
Cheken

On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 9:25 PM Isaiah Olson <isaiah at olson-network.com>
wrote:

> I am opposed to this proposal and would in fact like to see a policy
> proposal that strengthens the requirement to provide actual network
> services in order to receive additional address space. I agree that the
> current policy is unclear and possibly causing confusion for ARIN staff
> processing transfers when leasing is involved, and that updating it to
> prevent abuse of resources without affecting operational networks is a
> complex task. Despite the difficulty, I hope the community can converge
> on a proposal to that end. Questions of fig leaves and fraudulent intent
> are best left to the courts to interpret, but there cannot be
> accountability for fraud without clear policy.
>
> In relation to this particular proposal, I would ask the community to
> consider the consequences of implementation. Some have suggested that
> the current policy can be evaded with simple "fig leaves" to present the
> illusion of the provision of network services. I am not so sure. Under
> the current policy, I would certainly not be comfortable requesting an
> additional /23 or /22 from the waiting list for "VPN Services" and
> proceeding to lease that space out to be announced elsewhere while
> maintaining a VPN link for appearances. If this policy were to be
> adopted, there would be absolutely nothing fraudulent about requesting a
> /22 for the purposes of leasing it to be announced on completely
> unrelated networks. Given the dozens of emails that I have received in
> the last several months offering to buy or lease my current IPv4 block,
> I am confident that I could immediately find lessees and be ready to
> request additional space from ARIN as soon as the six month waiting
> period has expired. Further, as it has been recently pointed out, this
> economies of scale only get better as you obtain more and more space, as
> my fees would cap out quickly at $2000/year in around two years which is
> easily subsidized with the leasing revenue from 4,096+ addresses. I am
> uncomfortable with the idea that anyone with the time to set up a
> corporation whose business model is "holding IPv4 resources and leasing
> them out" could effectively loot the waiting list for thousands of
> addresses in a couple short years. Given the current price explosion in
> the IPv4 transfer market, I feel that this risk posed by this proposal
> to the integrity of the waiting list is very tangible. Additionally,
> basic economics of supply and demand show that opening up the transfer
> market for speculation and investment without requiring even the
> appearance of an operational network has the potential to cause prices
> to skyrocket to even more absurd levels.
>
> Lastly, I also agree with others that the actual proposed policy
> language is flawed, "users of the network" is incredibly vague and it's
> unclear whether "network" refers to the Internet shared resource as a
> whole (global DFZ) or any network.
>
> Isaiah Olson
> Olson Tech, LLC
>
> > Policy statement:
> >
> >
> >
> > Replace
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> >
> >
> > “2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is
> an IR that primarily assigns address space to the users of the network
> services that it provides. LIRs are generally Internet Service Providers
> (ISPs), whose customers are primarily end users and possibly other ISPs.”
> >
> >
> >
> > with
> >
> >
> >
> > “2.4. Local Internet Registry (LIR) A Local Internet Registry (LIR) is
> an IR that primarily assigns address space to users of the network. LIRs
> are generally Internet Service Providers (ISPs), whose customers are
> primarily end users and possibly other ISPs.”
>
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