[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Wed Sep 22 06:40:19 EDT 2021



> On Sep 21, 2021, at 16:16 , Noah <noah at neo.co.tz> wrote:
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> On Wed, 22 Sep 2021, 01:58 Mike Burns, <mike at iptrading.com <mailto:mike at iptrading.com>> wrote:
> Hi Noah,
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> "I dont see why a small startup WISP would prefer brokers or IPv4 leasers to an LIR.!"
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> It's because we are out of addresses here in ARIN.
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> But the LIR who provide IP based services and circuit have some which;
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> So the WISP can (only if they have less than a /20) try to get a /24 from the waiting list, but it is no guaranty.
> What if they need a /21?
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> They can sub-allocate to WISP downstream customers or end-users or end-sites though the LIR circuit.
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> The have to either purchase or lease, and if they are not sure a new territory will work out, it makes business sense to lease rather than purchase.
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> If it makes business sense to lease, the best is to seek sub-allocations from existing LIR by requesting a service from the said LIR.
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> Chances are the cost of direct sub allocation from an LIR providing such a WISP connectivity services would be way much lower since there are no 3rd party markups cost wise.

Pricing below assumes a 30 day month and computes the monthly price as (hourly price*24*30).
All of these are prices over and above the connectivity charge for whatever circuit on whatever plan you get with the provider. These are just the additional fees for static addresses from the providers shown.


Google static IP address pricing (assigned but unused address per month): $7.20
Google static IP address pricing (in use on a standard VM instance per month): $2.88

Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per month, single address: $3.60
Azure Static IP address pricing Standard (ARM) per mont, prefix (per address): $4.32

Amazon pricing for static IPs is sufficiently opaque that I couldn’t figure it out.

Comcast static IP (Business class service only, so double your connectivity price, too), $19.95/month

Century Link static IP $15/month + $75 setup

Charter static IP (Business class service only, so plan an upcharge there, too): $65/month or more

AT&T static IP: $15-$40/month

Verizon Business: Starting at $99.95/month

OneSource: $11/month

EarthLink: $15/month

Tell me again how all of these circuit based LIRs are cheaper than the average $3-$5/month from a non-facilities based lessors?

> And that's assuming they can afford to purchase.
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> If they don't prefer brokers or IPv4 lessors to an LIR, there is no lease business and nothing for you to fret about.
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> The draft policy dont make no sense. The whole thing started with IPv4 transfers year ago and now cropping into IPv4 lessors but to whose benefit. Certainly not the community.

So how, exactly, does the community benefit from paying $15+ per address, upwards to as much as almost $100/address/month instead of being able to lease from independent sources for ≤$5/address/month?

I mean I’m willing to accept the idea if you can make it make sense, but so far, your claims about pricing just aren’t reality.

Owen


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