[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Tue Sep 21 20:11:05 EDT 2021


Opposed.




On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 20:03 Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:

>
> It's been hours, Chris, and shouldn't you be encouraging discussion rather
> than the opposite?
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> Regards,
> Mike
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> ---- On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 20:01:29 -0400 *Chris Woodfield
> <chris at semihuman.com <chris at semihuman.com>>* wrote ----
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> Given there was a proposal published last week that was withdrawn within
> hours by its author*, I don’t think it’s unreasonable at all to start
> keeping score WRT the level of community support on this one. And while the
> definition of “strong support” is intentionally subjective, my four years
> serving on the ARIN AC have informed my opinion that the current AC looks
> for, at minimum, a lack of opposition from other segments of the community
> on a proposal that appears to have the support of only one. A proposal
> supported by the representatives of one segment, and by appearances so far,
> strongly opposed by virtually everyone else, tend to have a rather short
> lifetime on the AC docket.
>
> -C
>
> * Technically the author doesn’t withdraw a proposal, as it’s in the AC’s
> hands once published. But in general, I would expect the AC to honor a
> proposal author’s request to abandon it.
>
> On Sep 21, 2021, at 3:48 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
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> Hi Chris,
>
> Not sure how experienced you are with this, but this proposal has only
> been out for a few hours and any talk about "keeping it alive" is a tad
> early.
>
> Also, you might brush up on the concept of ad hominem. It means against
> the person(s). It could be only brokers who support a policy and if there
> are no valid objections, that support should carry the day.
>
> Now, do you have any objections that you would care to share, other than
> your original one (which I think Owen dispensed with)?
>
> Regards,
> Mike
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>
>
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> ---- On Tue, 21 Sep 2021 18:37:43 -0400 *Chris Woodfield
> <chris at semihuman.com <chris at semihuman.com>>* wrote ----
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> > On Sep 21, 2021, at 2:47 PM, Mike Burns <mike at iptrading.com> wrote:
> >
> > Hi Noah,
> >
> > Thanks for your thoughts, my replies are inline.
> >
> > “Transfers are generally a prerogative of brokers who don't necessarily
> provide any form of network services. It does make sense for a broker to
> defend this model.”
> >
> > Noah that is a meaningless ad hominem, every transfer has a recipient.
> >
>
> You are not incorrect here - it takes two to tango, so to speak. And
> brokers are an important segment of the ARIN community, to the extent that
> representatives of IP brokers have been elected to the ARIN AC.
>
> That said, one of the requirements for a Draft Policy to move forward to
> an RDP is, per section 4.3:, "Changes to policy must be shown to have a
> strong level of support in the community in order to be adopted.” Reading
> the replies to this thread so far, the only community members that have
> voiced support for this proposal have been representatives of IP brokers.
> Correct me if I’ve missed any, but I see zero statements of support so far
> from members of any other segment of the ARIN community.
>
> I would be very surprised if the AC would advance to RDP a policy proposal
> that has support of only one segment of the community, and as far as I can
> tell, universal opposition from those who are not in that segment. If you
> are an operator, ISP, or content provider who would benefit from this, I
> would recommend that you speak up in order to keep this proposal alive.
>
> Thanks,
>
> -Chris
>
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