[arin-ppml] Draft Policy ARIN-2021-6: Remove Circuit Requirement

Owen DeLong owen at delong.com
Tue Sep 21 14:19:49 EDT 2021


That’s an amusing theory, but it isn’t borne out in the routing table today.

There are many “traffic engineering” routes and other more specifics for a variety of reason (multihoming very common among them).

There are also a number of situations where a (former connectivity) customer of provider A pays a fee to keep their addresses even after they have stopped
receiving connectivity from provider A and begun announcing the more specific through provider B which they are now obtaining connectivity services from.

I understand the desire to live in routing utopia where IPv4 is perfectly aggregated and tables don’t approach the memory limits of backbone routers, but
that’s not where we are today. That ship sailed long before the CIDR lifeboat was constructed and the situation isn’t getting any better. It’s unlikely
that this would make it significantly worse. Forcing customers that would lease addresses to buy them on the secondary market instead will cost them
money, but it won’t change the number of prefixes they announce.

Owen


> On Sep 21, 2021, at 11:00 , hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
> 
> Remember, another proposal related to IPv6 was withdrawn when it was realized the limited resource is the Routing table.  This adds more entries in the routing table that do not benefit anyone except the lessor.
> 
> If the addresses were provided with the circuit, the default route for that block would suffice for all such customers, and address conservation would be maintained.
> 
> Albert Erdmann
> Network Administrator
> Paradise On Line Inc.
> 
> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021, John Santos wrote:
> 
>> Opposed
>> 
>> 
>> On 9/21/2021 1:36 PM, hostmaster at uneedus.com wrote:
>>> I am opposed to this proposal, for the reasons cited below.
>>> Albert Erdmann
>>> Network Administrator
>>> Paradise On Line Inc.
>>> On Tue, 21 Sep 2021, Fernando Frediani wrote:
>>>> Just want to say that I also oppose this proposal for similar reasons as stated by Bill Herrin and Chris Woodfiled.
>>>> Get them directly from ARIN (either via Waiting List or a regular Transfer - which remains directly from ARIN) and not via a LIR and don't try to make LIRs play RIRs roles.
>>>> Also the potential pollution of the BGP table is a serious issue that makes such change something that doesn't bring any benefit to community. The only beneficial from this proposal seem to be companies who lease addresses and profit from it, not ARIN, not members, not community.
>>>> Fernando
>>>> On 21/09/2021 12:26, William Herrin wrote:
>>>>> On Tue, Sep 21, 2021 at 8:23 AM Paul E McNary <pmcnary at cameron.net> wrote:
>>>>>> Then how do we get random  /24's routed.
>>>>> You get them through ARIN where the surrounding /24s are necessarily
>>>>> disaggregated.
>>>>> Regards,
>>>>> Bill Herrin
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