[arin-ppml] {Spam?} Re: Open Letter Regarding 650% Rate-Hike for Legacy Users

David Farmer farmer at umn.edu
Sun Sep 19 15:54:06 EDT 2021

On Sat, Sep 18, 2021 at 10:05 PM Owen DeLong via ARIN-PPML <
arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:

> > On Sep 18, 2021, at 03:04 , John Curran <jcurran at arin.net> wrote:
> > You can assert that ARIN's costs are predominantly the result of “LIRs”
> but that doesn’t reflect reality – many of our services and functions are
> equivalent for an entire address block and only a small set of them are
> related to subdelegation functions.
> Frequency of updates
> Frequency of additional requests/transfers/etc.
> are all impacted more by LIRs than by end users.

Yes, there is a difference in the impact on these services by LIR vs
end-user, however I believe total size of allocations or assignments are a
much better predictor of the impact on usage levels of those services.

So, currently end-users don't have access to SWIP, so how do you know they
don't have good uses for it? Probably not good enough to pay more, but if
it didn't cost more would they find uses for it? It is pretty easy to
imagine it could be useful for multijurisdictional end-users to SWIP their
offices in different states and countries, and I'm fairly sure there are
other uses as well.

Also, take my WISP or small ISP example, from earlier in the thread, if
there is a pricing differential on whether or not they SWIP or not, then
you create a financial disincentive for them to SWIP the one or two
customers they might have that justify SWIPing.  So then, they either skirt
or break the rules, or even worse, they don't serve those customers because
that would upset their delicate financial model.

On the other hand, there’s also the fact that the LIRs are (generally)
> using their addresses directly for profit (i.e. their business _IS_ (at
> least in part) providing IP addresses to their customers). Essentially,
> they are reselling RIR services.
> End users, OTOH, tend to be using addresses to run their organization,
> many of which are not for profit and some of which are even individuals or
> families. They aren’t reselling registration services for profit.

You're making a moral argument here, not a technical one. I'd be fine with
nonprofit/not-for-profit discounts, however, nonprofits can be fairly large
concerns, take ARIN itself as an example. However, personal use get's
pretty fuzzy and is too easily abused, at least in my opinion. Furthermore,
there are plenty of for profit uses that can make a much larger profit per
IP address than selling connectivity or addressing services. Why should
those uses get preferential pricing? They are still using IP addresses to
make money, even brick and mortar companies are making much more of a
profit from Internet sales.

David Farmer               Email:farmer at umn.edu
Networking & Telecommunication Services
Office of Information Technology
University of Minnesota
2218 University Ave SE        Phone: 612-626-0815
Minneapolis, MN 55414-3029   Cell: 612-812-9952
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