[arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)

Martin Hannigan hannigan at gmail.com
Thu Sep 16 21:42:00 EDT 2021


Makes me want to say ‘let’s see the book’. It is an historic artifact that
should be scanned and posted somewhere for reference.


On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 8:08 PM Mark Andrews <marka at isc.org> wrote:

> I got my first 4 blocks (1 class B, and 3 class C blocks (pre-CIDR) in 4
> different sites in 4 cities in 4 states) of addresses in ’88 (I know the
> year because my NIC handle was MA88 and I had noted that both where 88, a
> coincidence but just the same memorable). Even then there where formal
> procedures. The organisation was noted in whois.  You where expected to
> keep those records up to date. Yes, I know Jon did allocate some addresses
> less formally but most of the pre-ARIN allocations where formally recorded.
>
> Mark
>
> > On 16 Sep 2021, at 03:59, Martin Hannigan <hannigan at gmail.com> wrote:
> >
> >
> > Hi Paul,
> >
> > It was interesting reading about your problem, your take on matters, the
> experience and history with ARIN. Thank you for that.
> >
> > While I can appreciate ARIN's position from the perspective of 'how do
> they know', I can appreciate yours too. We're not talking about criminal
> courts and beyond reasonable doubts. Jon Postel's pre RIR legacy
> assignments are hand written in a notebook. If that's good enough
> documentation to establish legacy assignment then providing "reasonable"
> proof that an address was provided for legitimate use would make a lot of
> sense to me. However, and admittedly, it's not that simple. Mostly because
> we don't want it to be. To some extent, because it can't be. You are a
> victim of "progress".
> >
> > Warm regards, and good luck;
> >
> > -M<
> >
> >
> >
> > On Wed, Sep 15, 2021 at 1:05 PM Paul E McNary via ARIN-PPML <
> arin-ppml at arin.net> wrote:
> > I need to make a slight correction.
> > I am semi retired from our Internet company and my son runs the show.
> > He is a triple major Engineer and is PE certifiable in each of the 3
> areas.
> > He says he has deployed IPv6 to subscribers.
> > But Simple and Cheap NO.
> > 5 years and a complete forklift to all subscribers.
> > The issues happens at the head end router.
> > My son is an University educated Enginner.
> > His under graduate work was in Network Engineering.
> > He was offered a bypass of Master's Degree and go straight into PHD
> Network Engineering
> > Graduated Summa Cum Laude, so he's not an Idiot
> > Well maybe he is. He choose our WISP over the PHD.
> > He says IPv6 does work for the last mile but on our redundant backhaul
> loops it has some shortcomings.
> > And our multi-homing has some issues with IPv6.
> >
> > Thought I would make these corrections.
> > Just an old, fat, grumpy guy and former Guru that has outlived his
> usefulness
> > Paul McNary
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > To: scott at solarnetone.org
> > Cc: "arin-ppml" <arin-ppml at arin.net>
> > Sent: Wednesday, September 15, 2021 11:44:09 AM
> > Subject: Re: [arin-ppml] Change of Use and ARIN (was: Re: AFRINIC And
> The Stability Of The Internet Number Registry System)
> >
> > > On Sep 14, 2021, at 22:50 , scott at solarnetone.org wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Tue, 14 Sep 2021, Owen DeLong wrote:
> > >
> > >>
> > >>
> > >>> On Sep 14, 2021, at 22:42 , scott at solarnetone.org wrote:
> > >>>
> > >>>> Nobody I know has found a way to do lossless packing of 128 bits
> into a 32 bit field yet. Until you can achieve that, compatibility is
> rather limited.
> > >>>>
> > >>>> Please present your solution here.
> > >>>
> > >>> Encode it in four sequential packets, 32 bits per, and add logic to
> parse those malformed addresses in the routing daemons.
> > >>
> > >> Either I’m missing something, or that’s not going to be functional
> when those 4 packets reach the IPv4-Only end host and it has to reply.
> > >
> > > Maybe, but that is not the challenge you presented:)
> >
> > Fair enough… In context, the challenge I presented was about getting an
> IPv4-only host with no changes to software to be able to engage
> > in bidirectional communication with remote hosts that live in a 128 bit
> address space. Yes, you are correct the the way I abbreviated my
> > expression of that particular challenge was not complete in itself
> without the additional context.
> >
> > > Seriously, some manner of stateful 6/4 nat or header mangling is going
> to be required upstream of the legacy device to translate.
> >
> > Yeah, but because of the way IPv4 has been implemented (protocols that
> embed addresses, expectations of dealing with rendezvous
> > hosts, NAT traversal assumptions, etc.), it turns out that evenstateful
> 6/4 NAT is unnecessarily hard and unreliable at best.
> >
> > Owen
> >
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